[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by Max_!

Plus - and you know this - the number of people buying something has no bearing on the quality. In fact, the relationship is more likely to be inversely proportional.

A hundred million people can be listening to a hippo pass kidney stones and believe that to be music, that doesn't make it so.

so what is music... cause apparently your typing like you know what it is. i guess i don't know what music is...

i never said anything about people buying cds and quality, but sure popularity doesn't always mean quality... but then quality is all opinion.

[BaLLzZz]

Originally Posted by wj4

^Fab stays making love songs now because he knows it sells. Go look at older songs like Keep It Gangsta and Breathe...now that was vintage Fab.

Yes he sells his love songs and gives the gutta tracks too the streets all his mixtapes kill it. All his mainstream shit kills it. Hes just at the top right now.

[Expired]

Originally Posted by Max_!

You don't listen to real, talented artists, that's the problem.

Plenty of bands will do their best work live. The problem is that labels stopped scouting for talent and instead promote artists scraped off the sidewalk that suck so much they don't have to pay them and make up for the lack of talent with autotune processing.

Rap isn't music. It's what you do when you can't hold a job, you can't sing and your fingers are to stubby to pull a trigger for cash.

You don't know me so I won't hold it against you if you think I know shit about music.

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said.

Originally Posted by just4kickz

how is rap not music. haha your telling a hundred million people that what they're listening to isnt really music. you must be really smart to be making a statement like that

Reminds me of an M.S.I. song..
"You're telling me that fifty million screaming fans are never wrong
I'm telling you that fifty million screaming fans are fucking morons"

Originally Posted by Max_!

Plus - and you know this - the number of people buying something has no bearing on the quality. In fact, the relationship is more likely to be inversely proportional.

A hundred million people can be listening to a hippo pass kidney stones and believe that to be music, that doesn't make it so.

True, it annoys me how a lot of people think 'noise' is genius and considered music. Just a bunch of random beats and notes, nothing else.


Most rap is terrible.. IMO if you cant reproduce something live that sounds just as good, then you aren't a real artist.

-Nathan

[uhaulball]

i like beethoven, talk about tru hardcore.

[Expired]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

i like beethoven, talk about tru hardcore.

lol.. +1
I think 'Yo-Yo Ma' would destroy him though.
You should check out 'Yann Tiersen', I haven't heard a single song of his I don't like.
I think every song on the soundtrack to the movie 'Amelie' are his.

The closest thing I can think of to describe the feeling of listening to classical music while driving is..
I feel like a canon ball hurling down the road, and nothing can stop me.

-Nathan

[inabis]

Rap isn't music. It's what you do when you can't hold a job, you can't sing and your fingers are to stubby to pull a trigger for cash

Max_! in all honesty you are titled to your opinion. It's obvious that you don't like rap and that's just fine...but not all rappers are finger-snapping, dance making clowns. There are rappers out there who rap about current events and and convey positive messages through their music which brings me to me to my next point to say that your comment was ignorant as hell.

You don't listen to real, talented artists, that's the problem. Plenty of bands will do their best work live. The problem is that labels stopped scouting for talent and instead promote artists scraped off the sidewalk that suck so much they don't have to pay them and make up for the lack of talent with autotune processing

You're making an assumption that all I listen to is rap, which is not the case. There are a lot of good singers/bands out there who may sound "good" live but they will never be on the same caliber of their cd. Linkin Park, U2, Oasis, Coldplay and even people who everyone knows can sing (i.e. Christina Aguilera) don't sound the same live. (I've never seen Christina live but I've seen her performances on TV same thing though). The only group that I've heard many people agree are better live is KISS and no I don't listen to them so I'm taking other people's word. Judging on their success I'd say they must have been pretty damn good.

it annoys me how a lot of people think 'noise' is genius and considered music. Just a bunch of random beats and notes, nothing else.

It's funny I was having this same conversation with someone last week who was saying that techno wasn't real music....lmao...I guess it's all about your point of view...classical is some good stuff, I study best with it in the background...I like music from movie soundtracks as well, Danny Elfman makes some damn good music

[renegade]

People still hate on rap that's funny to me....

but getting back on topic Jay-z : American Gangster

I think the album is a solid 4.5/5 mics...give it a minute (I've been listening to the bootleg for about a week 1/2 now) it'll grow on you. It's definitely a return to the 'streetz is watching' 'reasonable doubt' era Jay, even though he'll never completely reach that rhyme level again...The production is solid with grimy and soulful samples (fitting the movie inspiration) and the lyrics are still better than most of the other trash getting airplay so i'm satisfied.

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by Expired

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said.


Reminds me of an M.S.I. song..
"You're telling me that fifty million screaming fans are never wrong
I'm telling you that fifty million screaming fans are fucking morons"


True, it annoys me how a lot of people think 'noise' is genius and considered music. Just a bunch of random beats and notes, nothing else.


Most rap is terrible.. IMO if you cant reproduce something live that sounds just as good, then you aren't a real artist.

-Nathan

so my techno/trance/house/chillout isnt music... its just random noise that i consider music. step back and read what your writing... if its not music what is it? i mean im just curious cause you seem to be somewhat narrow minded when it comes to the meaning of music.

its funny how people always bring up the same cliche statement about how "just because the masses believe in this and that... doesnt make it true" we're talking about music here...

[Expired]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

so my techno/trance/house/chillout isnt music... its just random noise that i consider music. step back and read what your writing... if its not music what is it? i mean im just curious cause you seem to be somewhat narrow minded when it comes to the meaning of music.

its funny how people always bring up the same cliche statement about how "just because the masses believe in this and that... doesnt make it true" we're talking about music here...

refer to my comment below about 'Noise' music..
I guess you haven't heard 'Noise'?? :/

Originally Posted by inabis

It's funny I was having this same conversation with someone last week who was saying that techno wasn't real music....lmao...I guess it's all about your point of view...classical is some good stuff, I study best with it in the background...I like music from movie soundtracks as well, Danny Elfman makes some damn good music

Ya, best music to study to, or relax to.
You know what im talking about though right?? 'Noise' as in 'The Locust' and other bands..
Some punker a few years ago tried to tell me in school that techno doesn't take any skill, and that the people don't even use instruments.. This coming from someone who listens to music with the same generic drum beat over and over.. -___-

-Nathan

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by Expired

refer to my comment below about 'Noise' music..
I guess you haven't heard 'Noise'?? :/



Ya, best music to study to, or relax to.
You know what im talking about though right?? 'Noise' as in 'The Locust' and other bands..
Some punker a few years ago tried to tell me in school that techno doesn't take any skill, and that the people don't even use instruments.. This coming from someone who listens to music with the same generic drum beat over and over.. -___-

-Nathan

lol so what i consider music is apparently noise. i'd hate to sit in your car.

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by Max_!

Rap isn't music. It's what you do when you can't hold a job, you can't sing and your fingers are to stubby to pull a trigger for cash.

That statement was really ignorant.

[mtkid]

Originally Posted by SE3P_to_E90

i can't listen to JZ because IMO, he just looks wayyyyyy too dumb... i mean, there are rappers that look "legitimate" in the rap industry, but JZ... idk, he just reminds me of a fat ja-rule with a baby face plastered to a slob...

Pac and Game -- they look like legitimate rappers... just my 0.02

How does Pac and "The" Game look more sophisticated than Jay? Do you live under a rock? haha, he's the epitome of an entrepreneur: President and CEO of two record labels, co-owner of the 40/40 club, and the co-owner of the New Jersey Nets. He's the most clean shaven/legit rapper out there who really came from a bad area. If anything, he's an innovator and a ridiculously successful business, something not easily generated by a slob. I admit, his last few albums haven't been great, but he pretty much owns the record industry.

[younghov85]

Originally Posted by Max_!

You don't listen to real, talented artists, that's the problem.

Plenty of bands will do their best work live. The problem is that labels stopped scouting for talent and instead promote artists scraped off the sidewalk that suck so much they don't have to pay them and make up for the lack of talent with autotune processing.

Rap isn't music. It's what you do when you can't hold a job, you can't sing and your fingers are to stubby to pull a trigger for cash.

You don't know me so I won't hold it against you if you think I know shit about music.

No offense and not trying to sound racist, but are you white? That was the most ignorant thing I have heard in so long man. LOL
Just curious, what type of music do you listen to?

[Cadillac Johnson]

The only thing I'm going to say on this is this; people that talk shit about rap, citing that all they do is steal other peoples music, dont know anything about rap.

Rap started, by putting spoken word poetry over sampled beats. That's hip hop.

I haven't heard American Gangster yet, didn't really have much of an interest in it. Although I haven't been too interested in any mainstream rap the past few years.

The mid to late 90's was the golden age of hip hop, and I got spoiled by that. It will never be the same.

[NaTuReB0Y]

what's jay z?

[Expired]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

lol so what i consider music is apparently noise. i'd hate to sit in your car.

If your 'music' sounds like 'The Locust', then it isn't music. (Or even close to techno)

Ignorant: The most used word by people who don't know what it means.
Rap is theft. Sampling isn't taking an entire techno songs beat, and putting it behind some lyrics. The day rappers come up with their own beats, is the day they get my respect.. Anyone can spit out words that rhyme.

-Nathan

[younghov85]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Johnson

The only thing I'm going to say on this is this; people that talk shit about rap, citing that all they do is steal other peoples music, dont know anything about rap.

Rap started, by putting spoken word poetry over sampled beats. That's hip hop.

I haven't heard American Gangster yet, didn't really have much of an interest in it. Although I haven't been too interested in any mainstream rap the past few years.

The mid to late 90's was the golden age of hip hop, and I got spoiled by that. It will never be the same.

I would agree on that.

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by Expired

If your 'music' sounds like 'The Locust', then it isn't music. (Or even close to techno)

Ignorant: The most used word by people who don't know what it means.
Rap is theft. Sampling isn't taking an entire techno songs beat, and putting it behind some lyrics. The day rappers come up with their own beats, is the day they get my respect.. Anyone can spit out words that rhyme.

-Nathan

The day they come up with their own beats?

They've been coming up with their own beats for many years.

Timbaland, The Neptunes, Pharell, Dr. Dre and Scott Storch all produce music from scratch.

They all have many hits and classic songs.

[SE3P_to_E90]

Originally Posted by michaelkidon

How does Pac and "The" Game look more sophisticated than Jay? Do you live under a rock? haha, he's the epitome of an entrepreneur: President and CEO of two record labels, co-owner of the 40/40 club, and the co-owner of the New Jersey Nets. He's the most clean shaven/legit rapper out there who really came from a bad area. If anything, he's an innovator and a ridiculously successful business, something not easily generated by a slob. I admit, his last few albums haven't been great, but he pretty much owns the record industry.

1st and foremost, i never regarded pac and the game as looking more "sophisticated" than jz... i will never coin the term, sophisticated, with anything that has any relevance to rap.
Epitome of entrepreneur? I never contested that.
In light of the above statement, there are plenty, and i mean a superflous amount of financial planners, advisors, investment managers, wealth management advisors, and the like in today's world. And i would bet, that JZ has ALL of them. Sure he started wrapping~ but i can assure you that he didn't manage his own assets; and that's a fact.
Innovator? perhaps... but yet again, anyone with a nearly endless income supply will innovate... unless you're a vegtable.
And lastly, a successful business is not one that a slob can produce... Affirmed... However, once again, welcome to the lucrative world of the financial services industry.

[renegade]

Originally Posted by SE3P_to_E90

In light of the above statement, there are plenty, and i mean a superflous amount of financial planners, advisors, investment managers, wealth management advisors, and the like in today's world. And i would bet, that JZ has ALL of them. Sure he started wrapping~ but i can assure you that he didn't manage his own assets; and that's a fact.

how would you know?? this statement just proves you talking out your ass...Jay-z alongside his two business partners went from rapping to immediately starting an independent label (rocafella) before getting major distribution with first Pay Day records and eventually Def Jam records..You telling me they had financial planners, advisors, investment managers, etc... when he was successfully running an independent label as a regional star on the east coast in the mid 90's..LMAO

[inabis]

from Wiki:

Attempting to secure a record deal for Jay-Z, after being denied by several labels, they began pressing Jay's records, selling them out of their trunks and requesting time on mix radio; their record label was called Roc-A-Fella Records

In 1999, Damon Dash, Kareem "Biggs" Burke & Jay-Z launched the Rocawear clothing label. Since its launch Rocawear has announced annual sales of over $700 million.

In 2002 Roc-A-Fella Records announced they will be taking over US distribution rights for the Scottish, Armadale vodka, from the previous owner William Grant & Sons.

Trust me, when Rocawear came out everyone trying to get their hands on it. Sean John had started a year earlier and trust me, no one ever thought that if these guys sold clothing anyone would buy it.

[Max_!]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

so what is music... cause apparently your typing like you know what it is. i guess i don't know what music is....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/music

If the lyrics are sung, it's music. Rap is more a form of (beatnik) poetry...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poetry

Originally Posted by just4kickz

i never said anything about people buying cds and quality, but sure popularity doesn't always mean quality... but then quality is all opinion.

I agree with you that the quality of the music or lyrics is somewhat subjective, but the quality of a recording is very much objectively measurable.