[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

With Most Modern Cars Locked Down, Hackers Turn to EV Chargers https://www.pcmag.com/news/with-most...to-ev-chargers

Not surprising to me at all. Welcome all the EV owners to the cyber world.

Warning: You better not be my neighbor if you have an EV. I can hack into your home charging station and make you pay 100 times as much

My neighbour has an EV

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Maybe or maybe not but I find the whole thing about EV's unusual.

It will likely devastate the S Plaid market to find out you can’t drive more than sixty miles down the interstate at 200 mph.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It will likely devastate the S Plaid market to find out you can’t drive more than sixty miles down the interstate at 200 mph.

Naturally only where it's allowed and not on 55 max interstate, I don't advise it

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

With Most Modern Cars Locked Down, Hackers Turn to EV Chargers https://www.pcmag.com/news/with-most...to-ev-chargers

Not surprising to me at all. Welcome all the EV owners to the cyber world.

Warning: You better not be my neighbor if you have an EV. I can hack into your home charging station and make you pay 100 times as much

Tin foil. Problem solved...

[M5Rick]

Chargers and Taycans are strangers apparently.

[RM7]

Yet they are out there working every day, from golf carts to race cars.

[DrVenture]

For a certain market segment, EVs make a lot of sense. You drive around town or commute 50-100 miles a day and plug in at home. The second vehicle in the household is used for road trips. No oil changes or spark plus or much maintenance at all. Plenty of torque.

When it reaches the point where an average EV can get ~300 miles of range in under 10 minutes with an 80% charge, most of the drawbacks will be eliminated. There are already cars that can do it in under 20 minutes.

More EVs on the road should make gas more plentiful for those who prefer to stick with ICE. Meanwhile EV battery tech keeps advancing. These are early days in EV development.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

For a certain market segment, EVs make a lot of sense. You drive around town or commute 50-100 miles a day and plug in at home. The second vehicle in the household is used for road trips. No oil changes or spark plus or much maintenance at all. Plenty of torque.

When it reaches the point where an average EV can get ~300 miles of range in under 10 minutes with an 80% charge, most of the drawbacks will be eliminated. There are already cars that can do it in under 20 minutes.

More EVs on the road should make gas more plentiful for those who prefer to stick with ICE. Meanwhile EV battery tech keeps advancing. These are early days in EV development.

Agree. It’s an exciting time to watch the innovation unfold.

[NSX2M4]

I try to tell everyone who asks me about my recent R1S lease the following:
(I get a lot of questions and it is my first EV)

1)If it's your only car, DO NOT BUY OR LEASE AN EV!

2)The technology is there but the R&D leaves much to be desired. Specifically, the ride quality. Long standing automotive marques have earned their way with dynamics, EV's leave a lot on the table.
(Excluding Porsche)

3)Charging? I've owned the car for 6 months and charge only at home, never even been to a public charger (see note 1). My electric bill isn't sky high, it's actually the same as before purchase. My Chevron bill dropped 200 bucks per month though. It's a big comfy commuter car, which is why I bought it.

4) Lease one, do not buy it!


Overall, I think it wasn't a bad decision for my needs. Offering a 7500 dollar rebate and a savings on fuel of 200 bucks per month as my daily. Do I love it enough to buy it? No, it's just not there yet. But, I am glad to Beta test it and get the experience of new technology.
Plus, its pretty freaking quick.

[Efthreeoh]

Just when you think EV couldn't get more stupid...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just when you think EV couldn't get more stupid...

Nice!
Could get a small fleet of these for the going price of a Dakar 911 and have money leftover for hyena repellent.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

With Most Modern Cars Locked Down, Hackers Turn to EV Chargers https://www.pcmag.com/news/with-most...to-ev-chargers

Not surprising to me at all. Welcome all the EV owners to the cyber world.

Warning: You better not be my neighbor if you have an EV. I can hack into your home charging station and make you pay 100 times as much

Pretty much every residential customer in the developed world is charged by the electric meter on the side of their house, not by a downstream device. That journalist doesn't know how electricity works, and clearly you fell for the bait.

Hacks are no fun, but adjusting the "rate" calculated internally by these devices doesn't change the actual electricity usage that's measured by the utility...

What scares me is their ability to reduce the overheating safeguards... if they can do that, they can essentially set your house on fire, and probably with less trace than doing it with a match. Not that a ton of people are running around burning houses down, but it's still a concerning weakness that should be addressed.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

For a certain market segment, EVs make a lot of sense. You drive around town or commute 50-100 miles a day and plug in at home. The second vehicle in the household is used for road trips. No oil changes or spark plus or much maintenance at all. Plenty of torque.

When it reaches the point where an average EV can get ~300 miles of range in under 10 minutes with an 80% charge, most of the drawbacks will be eliminated. There are already cars that can do it in under 20 minutes.

More EVs on the road should make gas more plentiful for those who prefer to stick with ICE. Meanwhile EV battery tech keeps advancing. These are early days in EV development.

Glad not everyone in this thread has gone off the deep end already.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

Glad not everyone in this thread has gone off the deep end already.

But it's not 300 miles at 80% in 10 minutes and probably not going to be. Current tech is just under 20 minutes on a optimal ambient temperature day for battery charging and discharging (i.e. temperature affected range), a battery preconditioned properly and with optimal infrastructure.

It's clear in the US that outside of Tesla's network, the CCA infrastructure sucks. I hangout on an EV forum just to keep track of the state of the industry. It's amusing how bad the CCA system is. It is just too complicated to road trip an EV that's not Tesla. For a person like me, who likes ICEV, trying to get me to adopt is a hard sell. ICEV road trips require zero planning except to make sure you have cash or a credit card in your wallet to buy fuel and keep an eye on the fuel gauge. The stories about planning an EV charge, then re-planning because the EA charger was unexpectedly out of service are numerous. And three route planning aps are required to double check or to get as much information as possible to make sure you can get juice. Screw that! I can just drive up to a gas pump, fuel up in 5 minutes and be on my way. And I don't even need a frickin smart phone to roadtrip.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But it's not 300 miles at 80% in 10 minutes and probably not going to be. Current tech is just under 20 minutes on a optimal ambient temperature day for battery charging and discharging (i.e. temperature affected range), a battery preconditioned properly and with optimal infrastructure.

It's clear in the US that outside of Tesla's network, the CCA infrastructure sucks. I hangout on an EV forum just to keep track of the state of the industry. It's amusing how bad the CCA system is. It is just too complicated to road trip an EV that's not Tesla. For a person like me, who likes ICEV, trying to get me to adopt is a hard sell. ICEV road trips require zero planning except to make sure you have cash or a credit card in your wallet to buy fuel and keep an eye on the fuel gauge. The stories about planning an EV charge, then re-planning because the EA charger was unexpectedly out of service. And three route planning aps are required to double check or to get as much information as possible to make sure you can get juice. Screw that! I can just drive up to a gas pump, fuel up in 5 minutes and be on my way. And I don't even need a frickin smart phone to roadtrip.

CCA system is a joke. Agree completely on that.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But it's not 300 miles at 80% in 10 minutes and probably not going to be. Current tech is just under 20 minutes on a optimal ambient temperature day for battery charging and discharging (i.e. temperature affected range), a battery preconditioned properly and with optimal infrastructure.

No, we're not there. We're at a point where EV is great for like 97% of the driving that everyone in this country does. Everything else, you need to also own an ICE vehicle, or rent one.

It's not this whole "all or nothing" mentality that EV needs to be completely equal to ICE... it's different and that's okay. Many people make them work without any negative impacts on their life and many positives. Others can't, and that's fine. Go buy an ICE. or plug-in hybrid. I own EV and ICE and I don't see that ever changing.


On a different note:
I just recently read about a huge parking garage fire that happened last year! 1,400 cars destroyed, the parking garage had to be demolished!
Oh it was a diesel car that started it.

The fear mongering on here is out of control.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

No, we're not there. We're at a point where EV is great for like 97% of the driving that everyone in this country does. Everything else, you need to also own an ICE vehicle, or rent one.

It's not this whole "all or nothing" mentality that EV needs to be completely equal to ICE... it's different and that's okay. Many people make them work without any negative impacts on their life and many positives. Others can't, and that's fine. Go buy an ICE. or plug-in hybrid. I own EV and ICE and I don't see that ever changing.


On a different note:
I just recently read about a huge parking garage fire that happened last year! 1,400 cars destroyed, the parking garage had to be demolished!
Oh it was a diesel car that started it.

The fear mongering on here is out of control.

Unlikely if you're talking of the Luton one. The vid of the fire starting on the vehicle in question shows the familiar 'flame thrower' effect of a typical EV battery igniting so no way that was a diesel fuel fire.
You'll have to look it up yourself to find it.

[gonzo]

Create a Still Want a Diesel? thread.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Unlikely if you're talking of the Luton one. The vid of the fire starting on the vehicle in question shows the familiar 'flame thrower' effect of a typical EV battery igniting so no way that was a diesel fuel fire.
You'll have to look it up yourself to find it.

The diesel car is listed as the cause of the fire. Was it a hybrid?

2014 Liverpool fire. 1400 cars. Range Rover started the fire.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

The Diesel car is listed as the cause of the fire.

But there was another one in Liverpool started by a range rover that destroyed a similar number of cars...

Lots of things catch fire. It's a bummer when it happens.

Oh I agree, the Luton one was confirmed by experts that no way it could have been by what seemed like a land rover diesel fire which 'they' say it was, I never believe everything I read in the press. it's unclear exactly what the vehicle was people were guessing from the rear lights.

[M5Rick]

I haven't studied the Liverpool one in detail.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But it's not 300 miles at 80% in 10 minutes and probably not going to be. ...

They have been cutting charging times and increasing range at a pretty rapid pace. It was only a few years ago that all the automakers started throwing money at these problems. Before that is was mainly Tesla. I am a bit more optimistic than you on this topic, it seems.

This still only matters for people taking road trips. I don't own an EV or plan on buying one. I simply appreciate the innovation and having options.

We'll get there, just probably not with current battery technology. And not tomorrow. If I said soon getting "250 miles in 15 minutes", would that also seem unrealistic? Right now a Hyundai can add 193 miles in 15 minutes. 15 minutes is about how long it takes me to grab a drink and use the restroom. And 193 miles is about as long as I want to drive in a single session without stopping. I know that some would find that unacceptable. People with a young prostate, maybe.

Over the years that this has been unfolding, I have seen many people who would never buy an EV, no matter what (their own words), detail all the reasons why. Still, if even 50% of all cars sold end up EVs, it will still be significant in many ways. Like with all things, I try not to let perfection stand in the way of "good enough".

Right now, if I wanted an EV, it would be a fine second car for my household. But, like most older folks, I am rather set in my ways and love high horsepower ICE engines. Even when they have their own share of issues and complexities.