[pmsteinm]

I think BMW is just setting up for an awesome G90 CS: "BMW M is proud to present the first ever CS version of a bloated hybrid! Over 1000lbs lighter than the G90 M5! This was done by scouring the car for excess mass and useless features!" (Fine print: by removing the battery and motor). They can bump up the S68 to get the same power numbers since they understate anyway and I assume the S68 can do better than the S63 (even though if you look at the specs they dumb it down because of the electric motor).

[RAUDERRIPPER]

Originally Posted by pmsteinm

I think BMW is just setting up for an awesome G90 CS: "BMW M is proud to present the first ever CS version of a bloated hybrid! Over 1000lbs lighter than the G90 M5! This was done by scouring the car for excess mass and useless features!" (Fine print: by removing the battery and motor). They can bump up the S68 to get the same power numbers since they understate anyway and I assume the S68 can do better than the S63 (even though if you look at the specs they dumb it down because of the electric motor).

So 5100 lbs 😂😂😂😂😂

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by SFT33

All this bitching about a 700hp V8 sedan is a bit much. It’s the last of the ICE M5s. We are lucky it’s not fully electric. Try to enjoy the release…

Lucky? lol no. They are lucky. Otherwise I wouldn’t be buying it. They will lose a ton of people if and when they decide to go ev only. God luck to them. It’s a death blow to the company. Consumers don’t want all ev’s and they aren’t buying them any where close to what was hoped for. Governments mandates tax breaks rebates and lower prices still aren’t driving the majority of the masses to buy in droves. You think enthusiasts like us and other forums are going to spend 100/200 k or more on vacuum cleaner like appliances? Heh of I had no choice and I needed to get a car for day to day use to get around sure. But these types of purchase are totally wants not needs. And I don’t bed to buy 150k car. No one a battery powered piece of shit that I don’t want or need. My sentiments on this are shared by many many people.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by pmsteinm

I think BMW is just setting up for an awesome G90 CS: "BMW M is proud to present the first ever CS version of a bloated hybrid! Over 1000lbs lighter than the G90 M5! This was done by scouring the car for excess mass and useless features!" (Fine print: by removing the battery and motor). They can bump up the S68 to get the same power numbers since they understate anyway and I assume the S68 can do better than the S63 (even though if you look at the specs they dumb it down because of the electric motor).

Wait what?!??! You mean there was another way to get 700+ hp to the crank with these ice engines and you didn’t have to add 1000 lbs of useless batteries to do it??? What???? Stop your bs please!! 🙄

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

Lucky? lol no. They are lucky. Otherwise I wouldn’t be buying it. They will lose a ton of people if and when they decide to go ev only. God luck to them. It’s a death blow to the company. Consumers don’t want all ev’s and they aren’t buying them any where close to what was hoped for. Governments mandates tax breaks rebates and lower prices still aren’t driving the majority of the masses to buy in droves. You think enthusiasts like us and other forums are going to spend 100/200 k or more on vacuum cleaner like appliances? Heh of I had no choice and I needed to get a car for day to day use to get around sure. But these types of purchase are totally wants not needs. And I don’t bed to buy 150k car. No one a battery powered piece of shit that I don’t want or need. My sentiments on this are shared by many many people.

You’re missing my point. This could have been an EV or a downsized engine. Look at what Mercedes and Audi are doing. In my opinion, the fact that we are getting a V8 in this environment is a small miracle. It’s the last one - so maybe try to enjoy it rather than complain about a car you’ve never seen or driven. It will sell like hotcakes whether you buy it or not.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by SFT33

You’re missing my point. This could have been an EV or a downsized engine. Look at what Mercedes and Audi are doing. In my opinion, the fact that we are getting a V8 in this environment is a small miracle. It’s the last one - so maybe try to enjoy it rather than complain about a car you’ve never seen or driven. It will sell like hotcakes whether you buy it or not.

I didn’t miss your point. I simply don’t agree with it. I don’t feel “ lucky” about spending 150k on a product with any company. They are lucky to have me (us) get it? Not the other way around. And if this car was ev only and no v8 I wouldn’t be buying it. As it stands if it’s a piece of crap with 1000 lbs more added to it and it doesn’t wow me I still might not but it add it stands. I don’t need the car. I want the car. See the difference? I don’t feel lucky about it at all. I will just buy something different or perhaps move away from bmw all together.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

I didn’t miss your point. I simply don’t agree with it. I don’t feel “ lucky” about spending 150k on a product with any company. They are lucky to have me (us) get it? Not the other way around. And if this car was ev only and no v8 I wouldn’t be buying it. As it stands if it’s a piece of crap with 1000 lbs more added to it and it doesn’t wow me I still might not but it add it stands. I don’t need the car. I want the car. See the difference? I don’t feel lucky about it at all. I will just buy something different or perhaps move away from bmw all together.

Actually - you did miss my point.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by SFT33

Actually - you did miss my point.

The Only reason you think I missed your point is because for some reason you can’t fathom that I don’t see eye to eye with you on the point. That’s all.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

The Only reason you think I missed your point is because for some reason you can’t fathom that I don’t see eye to eye with you on the point. That’s all.

Clearly you have trouble comprehending. It ain’t about buying it. It’s about the fact that it’s still even produced with a V8.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by SFT33

Clearly you have trouble comprehending. It ain’t about buying it. It’s about the fact that it’s still even produced with a V8.

Europe has gone back on a lot of its bullshit, and customers have spoken their mind.

It isn't lucky we are getting a V8, they know that if they don't sell it with a V8, they are not selling at all.

I agree we are still lucky to see an ICE M5, but given the way things are right now, I believe a non ICE M5, is pretty far

[subterFUSE]

Mercedes has already pulled back a lot of the EV timetable plans, saying they were far too aggressive for the market realities. They are putting a V8 back into the C63 because of dismal sales with the 4 cylinder.

Audi is in for a serious wake-up call next year when they are taking the entire A4/S4 lineup electric. The USA sales for those cars are going to crater hard. They are keeping ICE on their odd-number cars, A5, A7, etc... and they will continue to sell those to soften the landing from the EV cliff their jumping off.

BMW, to their credit, seems to have understood that the M5 will not sell without a V8. At least, not yet. Maybe at some point in the future that's a change the market could swallow, but they know their customer base well enough to have not taken that big of a leap yet.

My main issue with BMW lately is ugly styling. I have always thought BMW cars looked great AND performed great. But now I honestly don't think they have a single car in the lineup that looks good. F90 M5 was the last remaining one. This giant grill, squinty headlight trend is atrocious. Adding glowing grills is just the extra kick in the gut while you're down.

[DocWeatherington]

Folks are taking this too personally and missing the big picture here.

Everyone is moving to these hybrid powertains not because they want to because upcoming emissions regulations require it and this is a global market with bottom lines and shareholders.

I'm not one for the weight gain either but everyone is seeking performance, emissions, safety and mpgs are doing it. Everyone is trying to do it right and some off the bat will get it right and others not so much.

All the cars coming out today where pinned, drafted years ago when XYB standards where in place and the market was shifting at the demands of governments.

As the landscape changes so will the powertains. If tomorrow they had e fuels which are considered zero emissions where at everyone pump station and a dollar a gallon..everything would have 8 liter NA V8s that got 10mpg.

Why FCA shortly will have gotten rid of all V8s.

Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Bugatti, MB, Audi, and many more all on the same train with downsizing and electric power aides.

Blame Euro 6 and 7 emissions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...sion_standards

And California clean vechile standards and those states that follow it

SFT33
Savoy2001
CarlosM4
subterFUSE

Our only saving grace is governments are starting to see the climate goal isn't double from the technology and cost sides yet, and they are back tracking and adding in clauses. Manufacturing is seeing certain combos don't work and certain niches seek x for the money.

I think AMG will bring back the V8, but it will be a hybrid powertain and likely be only sold only where allowable.

[Chas8283]

Every single thread on new M5 turns to weight, environmental regs, etc. I’m just excited to finally see the thing and figure out if I want to stay on allocation waitlist!

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by SFT33

Clearly you have trouble comprehending. It ain’t about buying it. It’s about the fact that it’s still even produced with a V8.

I understand that clear as day. It's not that hard to follow your logic. However it means very little to me because if they weren't producing it with a V8 I wouldn't be considering it so it's not a "lucky" anything. Once again they are lucky to have me not the other way around. My money is good anywhere not just with BMW. Maybe this concept is to hard for YOU to comprehend.

[icpee]

No leaks yet?

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by icpee

No leaks yet?

The reveal is just in a few hours, it should have been leaked already by recent leak trends of BMW

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by icpee

No leaks yet?

Oil leaks? Surely, it's too soon for that?

[Blue Bimmer]

Is it will be run via Hybrid engine?

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by Blue Bimmer

Is it will be run via Hybrid engine?

V8 plug-in hybrid. Same powertrain as XM, tuned differently.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

That F90 behind is so much nicer. Goddamn it BMW.

they really yassified the F90 like they did with the F80 —> G80