[AlexFL]

Mercedes at the bottom, en par with the likes of Mitsubishi, Fiat and Dodge. jstein55 will be upset!

[farishat]

Bribery from US Car Makers works!

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by farishat

Bribery from US Car Makers works!

As "good" as your BMW is just to think that
Buick and Genesis is BETTER.

Must hurt.

But truth hurts. That's just life.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Looking for love 💕 in all the wrong places...

Bless their little hearts

F love, it's too racist.

I get your quote

[Ursan]

Volvo down with Jag, Chrysler and Land Rover.

Admittedly I only skimmed but were these issues serious drivability or something like the clock won't keep accurate time?

[stefan]

Anyone who has done one of these surveys knows they are meaningless. These are not reliability rankings. They are manufacturing QA/QC surveys.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

I am far more surprised by VW being in the top 5.

I bought a brand new 2008 GTI in 2008 and kept it 9 years until fall 2017. I had several issues that resulted in the engine being rebuilt at 24K then finally replaced altogether at 60K. Had a bunch of issues, AC failures, steering wheel controls, etc.

The car was so fun but we said never again. When we got fed up with the 3rd major AC repair in 9 years. We looked at everything. Honda SI, WRX, Hyundai, BMW BRZ and nothing felt as as good all around as the GTI especially with two kids. Then I got a special offer in 2017 like $4K off MSRP and we decided to try the new MkVII. The price was good but man, we fell stupidly in love again with the GTI. We agonized then I remembered that my mom bought a brand new Jetta GLI in 2012 and it was 5 years old. I called her up and we chatted. She had not had a single major issue in 5 years. The GTI was soooooo good and the price was good so we bought a new one. It will be 3 years in the fall and it has been outstanding. Not a single major issue. A few creaks here and there but not any more than both my BMWs. So I am not surprised by it. I have spoken up on a several posts where people bash BMWs made in US and Mexico as if German built cars were so much better. NAH. Sorry, I have owned 4 BMWs since 2005 and still own two and without a doubt they are both German built and unreliable. Period. The real irony is that both my mom's Jetta and our current GTI were made in Mexico and hands down have been more reliable than the my 4 German built BMWs and VW.

[lowrydr310]

So funny how Buick, Chevrolet, and GMC are spaced so far apart from each other on that chart, as if the brands are all somehow drastically different from each other.

[MMMBRAP]

It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.

I had a 2006 C230 Sport that I kept for 12 years since new and it was the most reliable car I have ever owned. This was coming from owning two Honda's previously, which were actually both NOT reliable, due to faulty transmissions and HVAC.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

It's hilarious me that MB is STILL below industry average. It's been like that for over a decade now.

A year ago, without knowing MB too much, I would have been very surprised and said no way MB can be this unreliable. However, since then, through thorough research, I have realized MB to be terrible. Also car rattles apparently seem to be included in every car. Not to mention how limiting their extended warranties are in terms of actually paying out as designed.

Previously wanted a GLC AMG. Glad I came to my senses and was off that bandwagon.

[MMMBRAP]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

A year ago, without knowing MB too much, I would have been very surprised and said no way MB can be this unreliable. However, since then, through thorough research, I have realized MB to be terrible. Also car rattles apparently seem to be included in every car. Not to mention limiting their extended warranties are in terms of actually paying out as designed.

Previously wanted a GLC AMG. Glad I came to my senses and was off that bandwagon.

Mid 2000's MB's IMO were far more reliable than they are now. I wouldn't trust MB now for the same reasons you stated.

What was surprising to me was that in the mid 2000's, JD reports still ranked them pretty much where they are right now. Nothing changed lol.

[thez99]

All cars have rattles. Has nothing to do with reliability. To me reliable means no consistent repairs needed outside of typical maintenance

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

Mid 2000's MB's IMO were far more reliable than they are now. I wouldn't trust MB now for the same reasons you stated.

What was surprising to me was that in the mid 2000's, JD reports still ranked them pretty much where they are right now. Nothing changed lol.

My family's W203 and W204 C Class's were huge pieces garbage - rattles, electric issues, poor seals and gaskets. Those 2 experiences alone are why Mercedes would have to have a product that was leaps ahead of the competition for me or my family to even consider them again. Our BMWs at that time had their issues (relatively minor) but none to the degree to what I experienced with Mercedes.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by thez99

All cars have rattles. Has nothing to do with reliability. To me reliable means no consistent repairs needed outside of typical maintenance

All cars have degrees of rattle. Once a rattle becomes too intrusive and requires constant attention at a dealer, it then becomes a reliability issue.

Regardless whether or not this points to the survey at hand, it does point to the fact that MB should increase its standards that is fitting for the brand.

[Sedan_Clan]

Interesting. I have a c230 beater that got 360,000 miles out of the original motor before I needed a replacement (...and I could have just replaced the bad lifters instead, but decided on a new motor). That's pretty damn reliable if you ask me.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by thez99

All cars have rattles. Has nothing to do with reliability. To me reliable means no consistent repairs needed outside of typical maintenance

Not mine brother. Rattles are unacceptable in new cars and more so in those costing well over $35K.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Interesting. I have a c230 beater that got 360,000 miles out of the original motor before I needed a replacement (...and I could have just replaced the bad lifters instead, but decided on a new motor). That's pretty damn reliable if you ask me.

I wonder if the powertrains in the current A-Class are built and designed with that kind of reliability in mind?

I feel the A-Class today is the closest thing to what the C230 Kompressor was back in the day.

[thez99]

I’m not saying rattles are ok. But honestly They do not keep you from getting from a to b in the car.

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I get your comment for Buick and Genesis but you do realize that Lexus is the #3 Luxury Automaker behind Mercedes and then BMW, they sell more than Audi.

Yea I had experience with Lexus and you are correct.

But I am surprised to see Lexus/Toyota over Merc, BMW, Audi. And they are not real competition with German brands.

Lexus is a good car but not even close to Audi, BMW or Mercedes-Benz level.

Lexus should only compete with Acura, Infiniti and Genesis. Lexus is Toyota, Acura is Honda and Infiniti is Nissan. Simple!


Yea we can argue Audi under Volkswagen, etc. But Volkswagen, Bugatti, Audi, so forth are independent brand with their own history, values.

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I do agree with Buick, total s....

Lexus IS different and Genesis came a long way with the new G80 and GV80

Yea they did. Lexus and Genesis.

But they are not in league with Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They want to be and "feel" like it. But they are not

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Yea they did. Lexus and Genesis.

But they are not in league with Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They want to be and "feel" like it. But they are not

I don't know if these days the Japanese brands gunning to "feel" exactly like the Germans. I think their standard line is more focused on comfort vs. performance handling, as designed. Now, 10 years ago, I would say you would be right in the ball.

Overall, I think the Japanese brands now our owning their differentiated factor.

*disclaimer - only referring to the standard lineup and not the N or RC lines.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Probably not, although the 3.0L V6 their phasing out seems pretty bulletproof, but for 4-cylinders not too sure. A lot of experimentation is happening at MB/AMG from mild-hybrids, to electric superchargers and high output 4-cylinders. While cool and very interesting likely will require high maintenance down the line, which is why I lease mine as long term reliability of the new engines is a question mark at the moment. Most cars now a day seem to be designed for the 36-month lease more than anything. As for the A-Class as a whole, the quality of the car is terrible, mainly due to the specific plant that its built at (the Compas Nissan Daimler Plant in Mexico). That car especially similar to a 2GC or 320i is built as a lease machine for new customers with cost-cutting in mind.

Only companies that really seem to really design cars in mind that can run over 200k miles seems to be Toyota, but that's more because they are also using older that has been proven rather than experimenting and spending money building, or using new technology, only recently have they started to adopt to the idea of turbo engines in their cars.

Is your E an inline 6?