[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Why not? It's like getting a 911 for Z4 money. Plus no risk of rust.

It's just a much bigger car. It's fast and grippy but it's not playful.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

See i'd never consider a vette for the street vs a Z4M.

The C8 Z51 is the one to get for that IMO. Performance package enough to put out insane lap times compared to stuff that costs similar, but not so brutal or expensive. Sure, there's the Z06 and higher trims siting out there...but if you are going to drive to 10/10ths that's where those come in IMO. The C8 does great up to 9/10ths and I think the main complaint was the brake-by-wire calibration, but overall extremely sorted and great for street is what I've gotten. And you have torque for days.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It's just a much bigger car. It's fast and grippy but it's not playful.

It's VERY playful with the nannies off. Super well balanced chassis, and very easy to slide around. But it also has way more power so things are higher stake.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

The C8 Z51 is the one to get for that IMO. Performance package enough to put out insane lap times compared to stuff that costs similar, but not so brutal or expensive. Sure, there's the Z06 and higher trims siting out there...but if you are going to drive to 10/10ths that's where those come in IMO. The C8 does great up to 9/10ths and I think the main complaint was the brake-by-wire calibration, but overall extremely sorted and great for street is what I've gotten. And you have torque for days.

Except it's a total snooze to drive. Plus it's automatic only, which is the opposite of fun.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Except it's a total snooze to drive. Plus it's automatic only, which is the opposite of fun.

Me thinks you don't like turns? Just fast in straight lines?

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Me thinks you don't like turns? Just fast in straight lines?

Total opposite actually. I like a car that rotates the rear end with some oversteer in a turn... Or a lot of oversteer. I don't like mod engine cars that understeer like the C8, and I don't like cars that are numbers over driving pleasure like the C8.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Well said. I feel like the "thrill of driving" has been largely lost to which car has the best acceleration, power, and lap stats and also at the expense of lots of refinement and over .

There is really something to be said for a car that you somewhat safely hustle at 7/10ths+ on a B road and even have fun on your 3 mile jaunt to grab a coffee at legal speeds while mildly driving a bit like an a-hole. If every time you get in the car, the drive is an "experience" then you know you've found the right car, IMO.

I love my Miata. It's my 6th Miata. No interest in a Z4M now. Although, I almost bought one when they were fairly new after a test drive.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The answer here is usually Golf R

What year & what are they going for?

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

E86 M Coupe is my vote if we are now looking at 35 year old E30. 🤣🤣🤣

But seriously, the E86 is so fickin stiff, the body just does not flex. A great platform. My 2 cents.

Doesn't do anything for me. An E46 M3 does do something for me, but RWD so does not meet my winter driver criteria

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Completely different cars, the vette is like twice the size. A Z4M packs a decent punch from a overly straight 6 and is inherently fun to drive.

That's like comparing a Miata to the Vette as well lol

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

What year & what are they going for?

Honestly I don't know much about them as I refuse to own a RWD "fun" car but they were stupid expensive for years. However things may have changed with the recent downturn.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Honestly I don't know much about them as I refuse to own a RWD "fun" car but they were stupid expensive for years. However things may have changed with the recent downturn.

I think they just had their last year with a manual, so prices of used manuals are likely high.

[Alfisti]

The vette and the Z4 are just different cars.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The E46 M3 and Z4M coupe are literally the same car underneath.

Yea but the driving experience couldn't be more different (I own a Z4MR). Sure, same engine, similar brakes ect.... but the driving position alone makes it feel like a completely different animal.

I've said it in so many threads, but you can pick up a good Z4MR for under $20k. That's a bargain when you compare to what E46 M3's are going for.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

After reading this, I checked performance numbers of 2008 Base Vette coupe against the 2008 Z4M coupe. The internet numbers say the Vette is 4.5 to 60 mph and the Z4M is 4.8. On some of the same tracks, the Vette is between .2 to .5 seconds faster. I'd not call that "walloped". For a car as a toy for street use, the deltas are immaterial. And the Z4M Coupe is incredibly rare compared to a Corvette.

4.5? That's... Wildly conservative. It's been a while since I've had a narrow body car, but Grand Sports are usually like 4 flat. Lots of debate on if the narrow body is slower or faster, but the general consensus it's it's barely slower than the GS, but harder to launch.

The Z4M is definitely rarer, and infinitely less reliable motor wise. Corvette parts are plentiful and cheap. Anything you want to upgrade, you can, for a reasonable price. Want to make 600hp? No problem, buy a blower and long tubes for $7500. Want more grip? Buy wide rear fenders in CF for under a grand and new wheels and tires.

Personally, I don't see rarity as a good thing. Rare things cost more to fix and are typically harder to get parts for.

[BlkGS]

GM might not make the parts, but 100 aftermarket companies do.

I can't relate to rust issues. It's a non issue where I've lived. That said, I wouldn't be surprised that an H3T rists more than a lightweight 2 door car, lol. When it's shitty out and there's snow and salt and what it on the roads, you're probably more likely to drive the Hummer than the low to the ground BMW.

FWIW, I had a Colorado which was effectively the same vehicle underneath, no rust issues while I had it. The old boomers on the Corvette sites always complain about how they can't just roll in to the dealership and them have a random part for their 15 year old car sitting on the shelf waiting for them. I think that's insane. I don't expect the manufacturer to sell these parts, unless nobody else is.

As an aside, rockauto has all the control arms for that truck you could want. Multiple brands and levels too. They also have GM bump stops (but you could buy any number of bump stops aftermarket, I run polyurethane bell techs bump stops on my trailblazer which appears to use the same ones). I suspect the rear diff is just an off the shelf diff, so there's likely a ton of options if it's just a Dana or something. Brake backing plates, I'd be tempted to see if trailblazer parts fit. Most Colorado's had rear drums, and using the H3 rear discs was a semi popular upgrade (as was the floor mounted shifter). But the gmt355 was very similar to the trailblazer gmt360, so those backing plates might fit.

[Alfisti]

I'll say it again, as a man who cross-shopped a Mustang PP2 Cab against a 997 cab, I feel the vette and Z4 cabs are very different cars.

[jeff113]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

After reading this, I checked performance numbers of 2008 Base Vette coupe against the 2008 Z4M coupe. The internet numbers say the Vette is 4.5 to 60 mph and the Z4M is 4.8. On some of the same tracks, the Vette is between .2 to .5 seconds faster. I'd not call that "walloped". For a car as a toy for street use, the deltas are immaterial. And the Z4M Coupe is incredibly rare compared to a Corvette.

After I finally ditched the OEM Goodyear runflats on my C6, the replacement Continental summer tires were a huge improvement. I had way more traction available at low speeds. These were 300TW tires in 2016, so I can only imagine what a C6 would feel like with modern 200TW tires.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by jeff113

After I finally ditched the OEM Goodyear runflats on my C6, the replacement Continental summer tires were a huge improvement. I had way more traction available at low speeds. These were 300TW tires in 2016, so I can only imagine what a C6 would feel like with modern 200TW tires.

Even with the 320TW Hankooks on my GS, I cannot reach the handling limits. The amount of grip they have is INSANE.

The OEM Goodyear's on the C6 were, to be very nice to them, absolute crap tires that should have never gone on any car. The Gen2 Eagles that were on my current GS when I bought it were better, but only when the tires were hot. Not "up to temperature around town", hot like you were 2 laps in on a track.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll say it again, as a man who cross-shopped a Mustang PP2 Cab against a 997 cab, I feel the vette and Z4 cabs are very different cars.

I agree, they are very different cars. I'm just saying that for the same money, the Vette offers a lot "more". More power, more potential, more grip, more performance, more reliability.

The downside of that is it also brings more size, more weight, more likelihood of tickets, and more likelihood of some old boomer coming up to you to tell you about the world of white sneakers and gold watches.

[BlkGS]

For a part as simple as a brake dust shield I would either skip it entirely or make my own before I paid $400 for one, lol. That's crazy talk paying that much for a thin piece of stamped metal that serves next to no purpose.

[Brandoch]

I smell another bromance happening.