[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I like the way you trash all the physics and ignore 1000 lbs difference between your previous and existing cars LOL
You are absolutely G90 lover 😂
Im not gonna say M8 is sport car again since the other guy will show up and call it SPAM ☺️

I promised myself that I will not bring weight of this new M5 anymore on this forum. It was purposely omitted in my post 😉

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

What is delusion is people talking about a car that they never drove lol
It is like my daughter when she says i do not like the food that she never tasted before

There’s no need to drive tank to realize that it will not be nimble do you need to put your hand in fire to find out it’s hot ? What if curb weight is not the only thing throwing one off ?

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

And that proves the point that this car is huge compromise. The rest is either older (no1 argument for those who lease) or more money. X5 M is too stiff therefore softer sedan is the way to go. This explaines this car’s target audience.

Right 100%
You should compare cars same category and same price points
M5 is a fast family executive sedan that most of the time is a daily driver and great GT car for highway driving
It was never meant to be a track car
The track thing is for marketing and we all know that right?!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

I promised myself that I will not bring weight of this new M5 anymore on this forum. It was purposely omitted in my post 😉

It’s ok but I recall the similar discussion years ago when X5M guy claimed his car is hiding its weight …
G90 is now at that spot …LOL
I know I know the next quote is I should drive one

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

There’s no need to drive tank to realize that it will not be nimble do you need to put your hand in fire to find out it’s hot ? What if curb weight is not the only thing throwing one off ?

Well this is not comparable lol
Fire, drugs.... is danger right?!
Never thought driving M5 is also dangerous lol

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

There’s no need to drive tank to realize that it will not be nimble do you need to put your hand in fire to find out it’s hot ? What if curb weight is not the only thing throwing one off ?

Regarding curb weight
Agree you may not like the look
You may feel it is cheap
You may think it is too expensive

No one said it is a problem

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Right 100%
You should compare cars same category and same price points
M5 is a fast family executive sedan that most of the time is a daily driver and great GT car for highway driving
It was never meant to be a track car
The track thing is for marketing and we all know that right?!

M5 has always been benchmark for other manufacturers. Always great looking, fast, handled well, and it felt special. This one seems to become very fast bloated product of marketers with missing options in comparison to previous one.
E39 was first manual V8 M5
E60 with screaming V10 maybe unreliable but nobody complained about lack of character
F10 even though I did not like it had DCT that was loved by many
F90 stupid fast V8 TT AWD that could rival supercars up to certain point and had no business to move as quickly as it had. But that was 6 years ago. Where’s the progress ? Tesla makes bunch of quick cars too.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by geddylee

I can afford it and I think it sucks

Driven it?

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Well this is not comparable lol
Fire, drugs.... is danger right?!
Never thought driving M5 is also dangerous lol

There’s post here about 17year old killing 6 in M5 so I guess there could be an answer.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I like the way you trash all the physics and ignore 1000 lbs difference between your previous and existing cars LOL
You are absolutely G90 lover 😂
Im not gonna say M8 is sport car again since the other guy will show up and call it SPAM ☺️
And again I dont know the definition of “ sport car” in your book.
Even M3 is not sport car.You said M8 is gt car so what is M3 ? Another gt car?

Hehe
Look i had 2 M8s and I loved the car
I can talk about the positives and negatives about the M8
The same for the M5 that I now have
I can talk about the positives and the negative
I am trying to be objective

If u want a summary here you go
M8
Looks great (best looking bmw nowdays)
Fast
Great interior quality
Handles well for it is weight
Sounds good
It is now well priced with incentives and discounts

Bad
Not very comfortable and little stiff for daily use and as a GT
Not roomy interior mainly back seats
Interior now looks outdated
Wish they had a proper lci
Was overpriced when it came out

G90 M5
Good
Has presence on the road
Comfortable
Roomy
Handles well for it is weight
Great daily driver
New tech

Bad
Interior bits feels cheap and quality not as used to be
Exhaust sounds like a vacuum cleaner
Not a lot of options (lost soft close full leather...)
Downshifts in D mode are laggy
Look controversial
On paper numbers (hp...) does not look good

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

There’s post here about 17year old killing 6 in M5 so I guess there could be an answer.

Hoping this was not you

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Hoping this was not you

Luckily not. But your answer proved it wasn’t you either. It was on a level of someone not being old enough to hold driving permit let alone license.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

i bet if people were told this car weight 4500 pounds and they drove it they will believe myself too
Yes if you track it you feel the weight but no way with normal driving you feel 5400 lbs
I had 2 m8s and for regular driving even spirited I feel no difference

How much money would you bet? Would you bet $10k? $50k? Just to make it interesting. I can line up a few unsuspecting test subjects.

You sound a little too eager to justify your purchase decision. You shouldn’t be, a purchase shouldn’t have to be defended in front of a bunch of total strangers, it makes no sense. It’s ok for others to hate the car, and for you to like it. Let it be.

As far as I’m concerned, the only recent M5 worth having is the F90 CS. It has the edge that a real M car should have. Everything else I consider to be fat Audi-style cruisers. And I’m fine with many people here disagreeing with me.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i agree tires change materially how a car handles... that being said, they can't make 1200 lbs go away...

what is odd... is BMW not giving any track time nor finding a set of even PS4s which are readily available to let a key journalist drive the car... he is very well respected and can swing things positively very quickly if he likes the dynamics...

i'll also add... its a very poor idea to release a performance sedan in the middle of the winter lol where universally its cold and temps are low... that being said... marketing these days along w getting a product as quickly out as possible takes precedence over data these days... they did this w the G80 as well if you remember

The barring of track use is, at best, curious. But I must conclude that the optics are awful though.

I don’t believe it to be sinister or as Chris puts it, ‘BMW’s failure to back it’s product’ as the very first reveal included track sessions.

My thoughts on this are, variously:

1. Chris is particularly known out of the journo field as a brilliant track driver. So, perhaps they wanted to force him to focus on the road-going aspects for now?
2. Tyre availability
3. There may be a software update in the pipeline to adjust assorted vehicle geometries and improve track performance -may be waiting for that before giving press cars out for track sessions. Given the whinging online they may be being cautious.

[Kaizer84]

Understood ctelimad But I think most can agree on the point made that this is an “M7”. Nothing M5 about this car at all. The cheap interior is particularly troubling as well. We can go back and forth but seriously what is BMW doing is the question. Why are we as consumers accepting this clear departure from quality and making excuses for it?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Hehe
Look i had 2 M8s and I loved the car
I can talk about the positives and negatives about the M8
The same for the M5 that I now have
I can talk about the positives and the negative
I am trying to be objective

If u want a summary here you go
M8
Looks great (best looking bmw nowdays)
Fast
Great interior quality
Handles well for it is weight
Sounds good
It is now well priced with incentives and discounts

Bad
Not very comfortable and little stiff for daily use and as a GT
Not roomy interior mainly back seats
Interior now looks outdated
Wish they had a proper lci
Was overpriced when it came out

G90 M5
Good
Has presence on the road
Comfortable
Roomy
Handles well for it is weight
Great daily driver
New tech

Bad
Interior bits feels cheap and quality not as used to be
Exhaust sounds like a vacuum cleaner
Not a lot of options (lost soft close full leather...)
Downshifts in D mode are laggy
Look controversial
On paper numbers (hp...) does not look good

Dude
I know you had 2x M8. I also had / have 2x M8
You keep talking about M8 as bad DD car and I keep repeating M8 is sport car not a big comfort sedan car but I DD my M8 for 4 yeara with no problem.
You believe M8 interior is outdated because it does not have a big 14” LCD?
But I believe M8 interior is still much better than F90/G90.
Roomy? Ofcourse M8 Coupe and Convertible are not roomy and are not meant to be roomy. If you want roomy GranCoupe is the choice but again dont expect M8 is roomy as M5 since G90 is about 4” taller. Different cars for different purposes.

And about G90
The pros and cons you mentioned is enough to say G90 is not a stunning car LOL

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by adc

How much money would you bet? Would you bet $10k? $50k? Just to make it interesting. I can line up a few unsuspecting test subjects.

You sound a little too eager to justify your purchase decision. You shouldn’t be, a purchase shouldn’t have to be defended in front of a bunch of total strangers, it makes no sense. It’s ok for others to hate the car, and for you to like it. Let it be.

As far as I’m concerned, the only recent M5 worth having is the F90 CS. It has the edge that a real M car should have. Everything else I consider to be fat Audi-style cruisers. And I’m fine with many people here disagreeing with me.

Lol I am not too eager because I like the car
It is not i bought it and I am regreting
And to be honest I am enjoying it much more then my 2 m8s
I am on this forum because it is an M5 forum about a car that I currently own.
Do you own one? No right
So who is the one eager ?
The guy who never drove g90 m5 and does not own one and come to the M5 forum to talk shit about it lol

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Dude
I know you had 2x M8. I also had / have 2x M8
You keep talking about M8 as bad DD car and I keep repeating M8 is sport car not a big comfort sedan car but I DD my M8 for 4 yeara with no problem.
You believe M8 interior is outdated because it does not have a big 14” LCD?
But I believe M8 interior is still much better than F90/G90.
Roomy? Ofcourse M8 Coupe and Convertible are not roomy and are not meant to be roomy. If you want roomy GranCoupe is the choice but again dont expect M8 is roomy as M5 since G90 is about 4” taller. Different cars for different purposes.

And about G90
The pros and cons you mentioned is enough to say G90 is not a stunning car LOL

You can see it the way you want but M8 is more a GT then a sports car
As long as It makes you happy this what matters
And for the interior yes idrive 7 is outdated
A lot of new functionalities are not supported on idrive 7 and the looks outdated to me at least

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Kaizer84

Understood ctelimad But I think most can agree on the point made that this is an “M7”. Nothing M5 about this car at all. The cheap interior is particularly troubling as well. We can go back and forth but seriously what is BMW doing is the question. Why are we as consumers accepting this clear departure from quality and making excuses for it?

Agree with you about the quality but I think we do not have a choice
Inflation killed the market
If you want to get a high quality interior fast luxury gt car be ready to pay 200k+
This used to be super car territory years ago
Now it is not

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

The barring of track use is, at best, curious. But I must conclude that the optics are awful though.

I don’t believe it to be sinister or as Chris puts it, ‘BMW’s failure to back it’s product’ as the very first reveal included track sessions.

My thoughts on this are, variously:

Chris is particularly known out of the journo field as a brilliant track driver. So, perhaps they wanted to force him to focus on the road-going aspects for now?
Tyre availability
There may be a software update in the pipeline to adjust assorted vehicle geometries and improve track performance -may be waiting for that before giving press cars out for track sessions. Given the whinging online they may be being cautious.

i am not sure... its entirely possible...
i'll also say that this top gear review cane out yesterday but got overshadowed by this... i'll just let folks read it...

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/bmw/m5

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by ASAP

... the G80 performs miles better than the F80 around any track without even trying because its so stable... that being said, its a boring car compared to the F80 in just about any street driving...

We differ in opinions here, F80 was absolutely forgettable imo, and just about the only M car I feel that way about. I’ll give you that the limits of the G are pretty high, so yeah you need to be going faster than the speed limit to get the best out of it. That same could be said for the old cars too, though.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

We differ in opinions here, F80 was absolutely forgettable imo, and just about the only M car I feel that way about. I’ll give you that the limits of the G are pretty high, so yeah you need to be going faster than the speed limit to get the best out of it. That same could be said for the old cars too, though.

f80 was dct, rwd only, goes sideways on nearly every turn and had a very "scary" personality about it... the s55 was also peakier down low... brother you are either a pro driver or I am crazy, because there is nothing forgettable about an F80 lol