[dfox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That's for you at $4.60/gal. and charging at home. My discussion was using a much lower price for fuel for a the average customer in the US auto market who will only use the public network to charge his EV. So your point is not apples to apples as a counter to what I am discussing. In my rough calculation I didn't even include the cost of electrons for the Tesla on the Tesla network, which I think is around $0.22 per kW.

That's exactly the point I'm making. You cannot make a blanket statement with averages across the entire country to say that EV doesn't make sense. EV's work for some people, in some locations. They don't work for some people, in other locations. It's all relative. Speaking in absolutes across the entire country is pointless. Hence why we currently allow states a say in the matter. These issues are localized, not generalized across the country.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

You would need to define luxury in this case. If by luxury you just mean physical stuff, like trims, buttons, panels etc then yes. If by luxury you mean the quality of the materials that are there and actual features (heated seats, cooled, cameras etc) then I think the Model 3 is on par with a 3 series or C class easily. Especially the new Model 3.

It is not lol.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

That's exactly the point I'm making. You cannot make a blanket statement with averages across the entire country to say that EV doesn't make sense. EV's work for some people, in some locations. They don't work for some people, in other locations. It's all relative. Speaking in absolutes across the entire country is pointless. Hence why we currently allow states a say in the matter. These issues are localized, not generalized across the country.

Well, with that position then, nothing is able to be discussed. Marketing arms of the manufacturers then really can make any determination of the market and the viability or prediction of EV or ICE sales. Of course sales of certain vehicle types are somewhat location dependent. But EV gestation was driven by and is continued to be supported by Federal legislation, which is nationwide. So, I think using the national average for fuel cost as a basis of my argument is completely justified.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

It is not lol.

How would you know? Don’t you explode if you get to close to an EV??

[Alfisti]

Some size as a Camry?? Really? I've been in both and the Camry feels MUCH larger, like 5 series size not 3 series.

I'm also not sold the 3 goes up against a 3 series or C class, the refinement isn't there. This is tricky, if you go down a notch the ICE lack power.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Some size as a Camry?? Really? I've been in both and the Camry feels MUCH larger, like 5 series size not 3 series.

I'm also not sold the 3 goes up against a 3 series or C class, the refinement isn't there. This is tricky, if you go down a notch the ICE lack power.

You all keep talking about more luxury and more refined but no one has been able to define that.

It’s like saying a modern minimalist designed house is less luxurious than a super guady home decked out with gold toilets and ornate hardware etc.

I don’t follow BMWs much anymore, but I’m pretty sure the quality of materials in a base 3 series is no better than what’s in a model 3. Hell the materials in my Cayenne were no better than a 3 series or model 3 except maybe real leather… even that was meh.