[npa201]

Originally Posted by Bluex

2 days ago, hell yes they were. Today, hell no, I can't fathom any dealer that knows they will be facing 25% tariffs letting anything existing on their lot go for less than msrp. People that don't want to be pigeonholed into buying non-tariff affected cars will snatch what's left on lots, new and used. Basic supply and demand capitalism stuff. "Get em while you can folks!! Last chance before prices go up!"

Everything may change in a week with what’s on the lot but yesterday went into a dealership (where I haven’t purchased in over 10 years and didn’t know sales person) and he offered a small discount ($3k) and said he may be able to work something a little larger if I do decide to purchase on Monday as its the end of the month. That location had 4 units. Another one 10 minutes away had 3 units on the lot.

[jm490]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Appreciate the heads up.

My CA texted me yesterday after waiting to hear how his GM’s meeting with BMWNA on this subject…two words: “you’re safe”

So someone will be eating the tax, but it won’t be me. But I think that this is merely because my car is scheduled to leave Bremerhaven tomorrow. (My guess…he wouldn’t give me a reason)

Absolutely! And yeah that makes sense. How would you know your car is scheduled to leave the port tomorrow? My car has been sitting in “at the port” for over 14 days now.

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by jm490

Absolutely! And yeah that makes sense. How would you know your car is scheduled to leave the port tomorrow? My car has been sitting in “at the port” for over 14 days now.

We’ll, I’m making some assumptions:

Mainly, that the shipping company that BMW uses for East Coast deliveries is still Wallenius Wilhelmsen.

If so, I look at their website and schedules:

Shipping Schedules


From there, I notice that there is indeed a scheduled departure from Bremerhaven heading to Baltimore on 3/31

My other main assumption is that my car will be on that ship. Being that my car arrived at port on the day that another vessel left and has been there for about 2 weeks, it’s a reasonable assumption that it will be on this departure. Assume yours would be too, provided you’re not west coast, as that’s another shipping company.

[jm490]

Originally Posted by Bluex

We’ll, I’m making some assumptions:

Mainly, that the shipping company that BMW uses for East Coast deliveries is still Wallenius Wilhelmsen.

If so, I look at their website and schedules:

Shipping Schedules


From there, I notice that there is indeed a scheduled departure from Bremerhaven heading to Baltimore on 3/31

My other main assumption is that my car will be on that ship. Being that my car arrived at port on the day that another vessel left and has been there for about 2 weeks, it’s a reasonable assumption that it will be on this departure. Assume yours would be too, provided you’re not west coast, as that’s another shipping company.

Got you yes makes sense and yes I’m east coast and same situation about being there for 2 weeks. Here’s to Goodluck to us both!!!

[Skilly]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

I read Ferrari’s announcement as they will be raising the MSRP by 10%, so I wasn’t sure what you meant by “the other 15%”.

Either way, I think we are saying the same thing. At a macro scale, there isn’t an incremental cost to the consumer of 25% of the MSRP. It is some amount less than than based on the transfer pricing of these international companies, and I agree we will probably never know what that incremental cost is. Manufacturers will try to pass on as much of that incremental cost as consumers will tolerate, but will likely have to absorb some themselves.

They are excluding the 296, SF90 and Roma. Which are ALL sitting on the lot in quantities that Ferrari hasn't seen in 25 years - they can't sell them at the current pricing.

That leaves the F80, the 12Cilindri, and the Purosangue subject to any uplift.

[jm490]

Originally Posted by Bluex

We’ll, I’m making some assumptions:

Mainly, that the shipping company that BMW uses for East Coast deliveries is still Wallenius Wilhelmsen.

If so, I look at their website and schedules:

Shipping Schedules


From there, I notice that there is indeed a scheduled departure from Bremerhaven heading to Baltimore on 3/31

My other main assumption is that my car will be on that ship. Being that my car arrived at port on the day that another vessel left and has been there for about 2 weeks, it’s a reasonable assumption that it will be on this departure. Assume yours would be too, provided you’re not west coast, as that’s another shipping company.

Have you received any update on this on your my garage tracking? I’m still showing at the port. Might take a day to update but nothing on my end.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by jm490

Have you received any update on this on your my garage tracking? I’m still showing at the port. Might take a day to update but nothing on my end.

When my vehicle switched from “at the port” to “in transit” was actually about two or three days AFTER it had gotten on a boat.

Once it shows “in transit” you should be able to call the BMW Genius and get the ship information. They will also tell you your port of entry (Baltimore in my case).

[jm490]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

When my vehicle switched from “at the port” to “in transit” was actually about two or three days AFTER it had gotten on a boat.

Once it shows “in transit” you should be able to call the BMW Genius and get the ship information. They will also tell you your port of entry (Baltimore in my case).

That makes sense! My app has been very delayed with updates for sure. But ok thanks for the heads up that’s good to know

[Cannondale900]

Anyone in the US hear anything from their dealer yet on this? Specifically for orders in the system with a production date of April 2025 or later?

I'm out of town for a few more days and haven't been paying attention nor has my dealer tried to reach out to me.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Moot huh? Do you currently have an M5 at the Bremerhaven port waiting to come over? Have you configured your car, negotiated a deal and have waited excitedly for this M5 to arrive in just a few weeks time only to be struck with the possibility of a 25% tax being added to the price? (Because despite rumors there is no word yet on whether BMW will absorb anything yet for existing orders on this round of tariff affected vehicles….hopefully they will)

Are you in the position where you may have to not accept the vehicle because you can’t afford to or won’t pay a 25% tax?

If you answer yes, great on you. You clearly must have such deep pockets where this is all trivial “let them eat cake” bullshit.

But if the answer is no you don’t and aren’t in the position that many of us are in right now, it’s damn easy for you to say that you don’t have any problems with it and it will all come out in the wash.

I’ve waited awhile for this car, was excited for a delivery in a few weeks, was paying cash for the car and now I may just have to cancel the whole deal and keep that $140k instead of spending it.

But hey, my man, glad it’s all good to you.

If you got cash for the full price you are choosing to pass, you don’t have to. If you can afford 135k cash, you can afford another 30k, you just don’t want to.

I’m hope my only life problems are having to give up on a 130k car for a year or so……that means my life is perfect.

Cheers,
e46e92

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

If you got cash for the full price you are choosing to pass, you don’t have to. If you can afford 135k cash, you can afford another 30k, you just don’t want to.

I’m hope my only life problems are having to give up on a 130k car for a year or so……that means my life is perfect.

Cheers,
e46e92

This makes absolutely no sense.

[Stockholmarn]

To make you feel better 130+25% is almost exactly what I paid here incl tax.

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

If you got cash for the full price you are choosing to pass, you don’t have to. If you can afford 135k cash, you can afford another 30k, you just don’t want to.

I’m hope my only life problems are having to give up on a 130k car for a year or so……that means my life is perfect.

Cheers,
e46e92

With all due respect, you have zero clue about my life, my problems or fiscal capabilities. (And perhaps how these tariffs are designed to work)

But yes, I do hope you have good health, longevity and live a problem free life.

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by Cannondale900

Anyone in the US hear anything from their dealer yet on this? Specifically for orders in the system with a production date of April 2025 or later?

I'm out of town for a few more days and haven't been paying attention nor has my dealer tried to reach out to me.

I heard in the beginning of the week from my CA….a text that was: “Bottom line: you’re good”

Based on what Trump confirmed yesterday, when my car hits the port on the 14th, BMWNA (the importer responsible for paying tariffs at POE) will have to pay 27.5%.

And again, based on that text from my CA, I won’t. So, someone will eat that cost but apparently it won’t be me, provided my dealership doesn’t pull any funny business.

[Scamp]

Originally Posted by Cannondale900

Anyone in the US hear anything from their dealer yet on this? Specifically for orders in the system with a production date of April 2025 or later?

I'm out of town for a few more days and haven't been paying attention nor has my dealer tried to reach out to me.

Similar boat. Until MSRP changes on BMWUSA (just looked - hasn’t changed) or I get contacted, I’m going to try my best not to worry about it.

Hope others before me have similar experiences and share like Bluex to be used as firepower for when that day comes.

[Stockholmarn]

Grok:

Typically, U.S. tariff implementations allow for goods already in transit to be exempt if they were loaded or shipped before the effective date, provided certain conditions are met, such as importer certifications to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). However, based on the details of this specific proclamation, signed by President Trump on March 26, 2025, and effective April 3, 2025, there is no explicit "in transit" exception outlined for autos from the EU. This contrasts with some prior tariff actions (e.g., tariffs on China from February 4, 2025, which included a limited in-transit exception for goods loaded before February 1, 2025, with certifications). Without such a provision explicitly stated for the auto tariffs, goods in transit that arrive and are entered for consumption on or after April 3, 2025, would likely be subject to the new 27.5% total tariff rate (2.5% base + 25% additional), regardless of when they left the EU.

The tariffs were declared in advance—announced on March 26, 2025, giving a clear one-week notice period before implementation. This advance notice aligns with standard practice to allow importers some time to adjust, but it does not appear to include a carve-out for goods already en route unless CBP issues specific guidance otherwise. For absolute certainty, importers would need to consult CBP directly, as they may provide operational clarifications or allowances not detailed in the initial proclamation. Historically, though, without an explicit exemption, in-transit goods hitting U.S. customs on or after the effective date are typically subject to the new rate. So, unless a last-minute clarification emerges, those EU autos in transit now, arriving today or later, are likely to face the full 27.5% tariff if cleared after the midnight EDT cutoff.

[Cannondale900]

Originally Posted by Stockholmarn

Grok:

Typically, U.S. tariff implementations allow for goods already in transit to be exempt if they were loaded or shipped before the effective date, provided certain conditions are met, such as importer certifications to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). However, based on the details of this specific proclamation, signed by President Trump on March 26, 2025, and effective April 3, 2025, there is no explicit "in transit" exception outlined for autos from the EU. This contrasts with some prior tariff actions (e.g., tariffs on China from February 4, 2025, which included a limited in-transit exception for goods loaded before February 1, 2025, with certifications). Without such a provision explicitly stated for the auto tariffs, goods in transit that arrive and are entered for consumption on or after April 3, 2025, would likely be subject to the new 27.5% total tariff rate (2.5% base + 25% additional), regardless of when they left the EU.
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Greatly appreciate the technical and informative detail here!

[Bluex]

Received a final sales order this morning from my CA:

Still seeing my $4500 under MSRP deal in place with only this $433 "documentation fee" added (I won't quibble over this). So again, looks like BMWNA will absorb the 27.5% tax when it hits the port, but that's just my guess. Someone is absorbing it, obviously. Just not me.

Can't say this will be true for everyone going down the road and there may be examples of unscrupulous dealers, but I am fortunate to have a good relationship with the same CA and dealership for over 10 years now.

[Oswiff]

My recommendation for anyone in limbo is get something in writing from the Sales Manager or GM.
I wouldn’t put my faith in a Sales Associate as I have personally experienced the sales associate changing an agreed deal blaming the GM - (unrelated to tariffs).
Just my personal experience.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by icegrill

This makes absolutely no sense.

Of course it doesn’t…..because this place is filled with so much financial literacy.

I bet people can’t even do the math on how the tariffs will affect the price because people don’t know the difference between a tariff and a tax.


Cheers,
e46e92

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by Bluex

With all due respect, you have zero clue about my life, my problems or fiscal capabilities. (And perhaps how these tariffs are designed to work)

But yes, I do hope you have good health, longevity and live a problem free life.

Nope…..I just don’t live in a financial illiterate world.

I assure you that you have no clue how a tariff works, and I absolutely do. I’m not posting my resume here. Believe what you want…..live the way you want.

But when people come on here whining and complaining people will continue to call them on it.

Cheers,
e46e92

[Skilly]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

If you got cash for the full price you are choosing to pass, you don’t have to. If you can afford 135k cash, you can afford another 30k, you just don’t want to.

I’m hope my only life problems are having to give up on a 130k car for a year or so……that means my life is perfect.

Cheers,
e46e92

This wins the internet for the dumbest thing said today.

"If you can afford $135K, you can afford to pay $165K for the same thing..."