[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Nah, they’re actually perfect. Point is GM could have easily done better. The z06 looks like a horse’s ass compared to those cars. I still want one though.

I mean you do have an FF so I can see why you think those cars are visually flawless....

Let's be honest though, what American product is more aesthetically pleasing than it's italian counterpart? Suits, shoes, food, cars, etc all look better from Italy, lol.

[aj_g80]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

If you're not on any list, it's too late, IMHO to get one at MSRP new. You will have to wait for the used market. And if you go with a smaller dealer that somehow might get one in a couple of years, chances are you're overpaying.

Last time i checked, i was 154 at MM for a z06. So unless they only get 100 allocations for the first model year, i should get mine around spring, i hope. Oddly i'll be getting my stingray around the same time lol.

Oh i'm not trying to get one. I'm all set right now. May be going backwards in the car spectrum early next year. I miss my 600LT.
I did have c7z two years ago, i have high hopes for the new one. I know it wont dissapoint. Going to slap alot people around.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

May I introduce you to the Vanquish, 458, and 430 Scuderia?

Vehicles like Aventador SV, 488 Pista, Porsche 918 and 765LT come to my mind.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

I mean you do have an FF so I can see why you think those cars are visually flawless....

Let's be honest though, what American product is more aesthetically pleasing than it's italian counterpart? Suits, shoes, food, cars, etc all look better from Italy, lol.

I just don’t see why GM had to force all these weird sharp/angular edges, it really screws with the flow of the design. All 3 of those cars have flowing lines that don’t look choppy, they’re cohesive to the design of the car. It’s not like the C8 looks bad, it just could have been so much better.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Vehicles like Aventador SV, 488 Pista, Porsche 918 and 765LT come to my mind.

Those are all at a price point far beyond the Z06 and the other 3 though. A Pagani looks great too but a $100-200k car will never have that level of fit and finish.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Those are all at a price point far beyond the Z06 and the other 3 though. A Pagani looks great too but a $100-200k car will never have that level of fit and finish.

sorry, missed the price point limitation. my bad.

[aj_g80]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Vehicles like Aventador SV, 488 Pista, Porsche 918 and 765LT come to my mind.

765... perfect from every dam angle..

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by aj_g80

765... perfect from every dam angle..

I will also take a 765LT and a Pista plz

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Nah, they’re actually perfect. Point is GM could have easily done better. The z06 looks like a horse’s ass compared to those cars. I still want one though.

Right. And I don’t agree with that which is my point. Not everyone can agree a single car is perfect.

Plus the z06 outperforms those cars you mentioned anyway so we’re back to the subject of the cost to reward ratio.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

sorry, missed the price point limitation. my bad.

Always the excuse🤣

[RM7]

Some of these cars don't look good, like the Ferrari FF, which looks like a bloated Z4 hardtop, 918 is decent, but the Carrera GT had the "abrupt" "chopped off" design look at the end of the cab with no taper. Pagani is no looker either IMO, maybe put together well, but its no Ferrari. There are plenty of "good" looking Ferrari and Porsche designs, but the point is, not all of these are a home-run. The Corvette attracts attention and manages to carry over design cues from the C7. It's not flat out the best looking mid-engine car ever...but they can do a lot worse too.

[aj_g80]

Originally Posted by RM7

Some of these cars don't look good, like the Ferrari FF, which looks like a bloated Z4 hardtop, 918 is decent, but the Carrera GT had the "abrupt" "chopped off" design look at the end of the cab with no taper. Pagani is no looker either IMO, maybe put together well, but its no Ferrari. There are plenty of "good" looking Ferrari and Porsche designs, but the point is, not all of these are a home-run. The Corvette attracts attention and manages to carry over design cues from the C7. It's not flat out the best looking mid-engine car ever...but they can do a lot worse too.

So you think Ferrari is well put together? Based off what? Have you worked on one?

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by RM7

Some of these cars don't look good, like the Ferrari FF, which looks like a bloated Z4 hardtop, 918 is decent, but the Carrera GT had the "abrupt" "chopped off" design look at the end of the cab with no taper. Pagani is no looker either IMO, maybe put together well, but its no Ferrari. There are plenty of "good" looking Ferrari and Porsche designs, but the point is, not all of these are a home-run. The Corvette attracts attention and manages to carry over design cues from the C7. It's not flat out the best looking mid-engine car ever...but they can do a lot worse too.

I agree. I like 85 percent of the Z06. My problem is that the back end is a fucking abomination!! How the hell did they design the first 85% great, then just destroy that back? I feel the same with the Front of the new M cars. Love everything about it but then the front is a damn train wreck😳. Of course these are my opinions only. I just feel like if both could have just been 50 less putrid, they would be sooooo much better. But they Ain't. 😢🥺

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by aj_g80

So you think Ferrari is well put together? Based off what? Have you worked on one?

Over the last 30 years I have worked on a lot of exotic vehicles. Ferrari have among the best build quality of them. It might not have the build quality of a high-production brand, but they're high quality within the exotic segment.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by RM7

Some of these cars don't look good, like the Ferrari FF, which looks like a bloated Z4 hardtop, 918 is decent, but the Carrera GT had the "abrupt" "chopped off" design look at the end of the cab with no taper. Pagani is no looker either IMO, maybe put together well, but its no Ferrari. There are plenty of "good" looking Ferrari and Porsche designs, but the point is, not all of these are a home-run. The Corvette attracts attention and manages to carry over design cues from the C7. It's not flat out the best looking mid-engine car ever...but they can do a lot worse too.

If the c8 was a disaster it wouldn’t have been this much sought after. People want this car. Both the stingray and z06. People are willing to wait 12-14 months for a stingray. People are willing to wait 3-5 years for a z06.

I put my deposit for the z06 in fall of 2019. And if I get it in spring 2023 that’s almost 4 years I waited for this beast.

Is it perfect? No. But name another monster with the looks, specs and the capabilities were waiting on what it can do, for the price.

There is none. None. Zero.

That’s the point to this car and it’s craze. There is nothing like this.

[Quadruple VANOS]

So many complaining about the Z06 becoming out of reach seem to jump right to the used market as an alternative. Lotus' upcoming Emira is priced right there (my spec is $96k); yet I don't think I've heard a single person contemplate an Emira instead. It's even available with a manual transmission. Weird.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

So many complaining about the Z06 becoming out of reach seem to jump right to the used market as an alternative. Lotus' upcoming Emira is priced right there (my spec is $96k); yet I don't think I've heard a single person contemplate an Emira instead. It's even available with a manual transmission. Weird.

For my money, I'd rather have an Emira over a base C8.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Cos270

For my money, I'd rather have an Emira over a base C8.

My (2LT) Stingray spec is almost $11k less ($84,775) than my Emira spec ($95,990), so the question for me is would I prefer the Stingray for $11k less. Personally I'd pay the extra $11k for the Emira's manual transmission, and the KEF audio system alone. I think the Lotus looks better too.

However, my point is a lot of the complainers thought the Z06 would be about $96k, yet I don't hear anyone considering the Emira now that the Z06 is seemingly out of reach for them. Wonder why. Lack of awareness maybe?

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

My (2LT) Stingray spec is almost $11k less ($84,775) than my Emira spec ($95,990), so the question for me is would I prefer the Stingray for $11k less. Personally I'd pay the extra $11k for the Emira's manual transmission, looks, and the KEF audio system alone. I think the Lotus looks better too.

However, my point is a lot of the complainers thought the Z06 would be about $96k, yet I don't hear anyone considering the Emira now that the Z06 is seemingly out of reach for them. Wonder why. Lack of awareness maybe?

I would say lack of awareness is certainly a factor. You also can't order a base Emira just yet, so some may be waiting for that as well. I also doubt that there's much of a cross over between "traditional" Corvette customers and Lotus fans. Lotus has always been kind of niche.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Cos270

I would say lack of awareness is certainly a factor. You also can't order a base Emira just yet, so some may be waiting for that as well. I also doubt that there's much of a cross over between "traditional" Corvette customers and Lotus fans. Lotus has always been kind of niche.

I perceive the C8 as radically widening appeal beyond traditional Corvette customers. We've entered a new rubicon where the traditional definition has become dated and mostly irrelevant to the current product. The Z06 even more so.

So many people talk about wanting a manual transmission… lightweight… yet here's a mid-engine sports car version priced below $100k and crickets?

[Humdizzle]

servicing might have something to do with it.

there are 50 lotus dealerships in the US compared to 4500 for GM.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

So many people talk about wanting a manual transmission… lightweight… yet here's a mid-engine sports car version priced below $100k and crickets?

people want those things from a real manufacturer, not lotus.
people want to be able to actually buy the car.
people want to have no quality or reliability concerns and british cars are the absolute worst.

etc. there are many reasons it's crickets with the lotus, because it's always been crickets with the lotus.

many times I think, yes, I will buy an emira and then I realize I don't want a toyota engine, I also don't really think I want a 4 banger either....so, the lotus sounds good on paper but it's not quite right to get my $$