[Spartikus]

People need to stop acting like the previous first gen NSX was cheap. I love playing with the inflation calculator. Adjusted for 2015, this car was always six figures. Its apparent they're bringing hyper car technology down to the $100k range. I'm of the impression it will be more reliable and require less maintenance than anything German, British, or Italian. Perhaps thats part of what took them so long. Gotta make it RIGHT!

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by R N M

I doubt this thing will sell well at over $150k.

Too much competition - R8, Ftype, 911, MB GT-S, baby McLaren, Aston Martin Vantage, etc.

Honda needs to price it at most around $100k to undercut those cars with much higher brand appeal.
Also turbo V6 is not very exotic even if its midengined. Electric motors will prob be hampered at the track after a few laps.

Outside of the million dollar range, I don't think the tech is there yet for tracking hyrbrids.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

Outside of the million dollar range, I don't think the tech is there yet for tracking hyrbrids.

Maybe not, but it's coming. The ability to recover some of the energy that is dumped at every single turn and use it to sling shot out of said turn is huge. Once perfected, there'll be no way a non-hybrid car can ever keep up, as it's just wasting it's energy at every turn/slow down.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Levi

R8 = ugly, boring, more expensive than 911
F-Type = heavy, slow, outdated
AMG GT-S = ugly, ugly, ugly
McLaren = ugly, ugly, expensive
Aston Martin Vantage = outdated, unreliable
i8 = slow, expensive
911 = best but "Golf/Camry" exclusivity
GT-R = Nissan > World

LOL

All of the above cars are cheaper and most have a much stronger brand name / history.

Most people buying at this level want to show off therefore badge is important. Just look at how poorly LFA sold even though it was praised by everyone as a truly great car. For the money, buyers chose more established brands.
All these cars are GREAT and well more capable than any regular driver will ever be able to explore.

Old NSX came at the right time when supercar industry was almost non existant except for Ferrari.
New NSX is coming to market where there is a HUGE amount of amazing high performance and Super cars. I think it will be difficult for it to get any significant
Marketshare. New 488GTB will probably destroy it in terms of performance.

[Red Bread]

Wonder what the Vegas odds on the NSX outselling the ZDX are? I think they sold 16 ZDX's all of last year.

[Topspeed]

Originally Posted by R N M

LOL

All of the above cars are cheaper and most have a much stronger brand name / history.

Most people buying at this level want to show off therefore badge is important. Just look at how poorly LFA sold even though it was praised by everyone as a truly great car. For the money, buyers chose more established brands.
All these cars are GREAT and well more capable than any regular driver will ever be able to explore.

Old NSX came at the right time when supercar industry was almost non existant except for Ferrari.
New NSX is coming to market where there is a HUGE amount of amazing high performance and Super cars. I think it will be difficult for it to get any significant
Marketshare. New 488GTB will probably destroy it in terms of performance.

What a foolish statement about LFA sales. Did you not know that Lexus only produced 500 and all were sold in less than 2 years. The new nsx competes in price with the hideous i8 and not the 488.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by Topspeed

What a foolish statement about LFA sales. Did you not know that Lexus only produced 500 and all were sold in less than 2 years. The new nsx competes in price with the hideous i8 and not the 488.

+1
LFA was used as a Halo vehicle to bring in customers to showrooms to buy lower F-sport models like the IS F-sport models that had a similar style instrument cluster.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by R N M

LOL

All of the above cars are cheaper and most have a much stronger brand name / history.

Shows that all that counts is name, regardless of product, so even crap, as long the brand name, people will buy. As for history, that means nothing, most don't know about history of the name, otherwise Alfa Romeo having the greatest history would sell way more than BMW, Mercedes and Audi, even more than Porsche.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Levi

Shows that all that counts is name, regardless of product, so even crap, as long the brand name, people will buy. As for history, that means nothing, most don't know about history of the name, otherwise Alfa Romeo having the greatest history would sell way more than BMW, Mercedes and Audi, even more than Porsche.

Gotta agree with this statement completely! History and LeMans wins and all that is great "talking points" BUT, that certainly does NOT translate to sales these days. And for the microscopic few that do buy because of history, they are not even a blip on the map of car manufacturers.
Sales are generated by: Looks, Performance, Stats, Price and to some degree, emotion. Not in that order. Just sayin.

As far as this NSX goes... I love the technology it brings but the front-end is not for me. But it does obviously "look the part of a Supercar and something exotic" with proportions. Think I'd like it better in all Black.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by R N M

LOL

All of the above cars are cheaper and most have a much stronger brand name / history.

Most people buying at this level want to show off therefore badge is important. Just look at how poorly LFA sold even though it was praised by everyone as a truly great car. For the money, buyers chose more established brands.
All these cars are GREAT and well more capable than any regular driver will ever be able to explore.

Old NSX came at the right time when supercar industry was almost non existant except for Ferrari.
New NSX is coming to market where there is a HUGE amount of amazing high performance and Super cars. I think it will be difficult for it to get any significant
Marketshare. New 488GTB will probably destroy it in terms of performance.

Loll.. Levi is like the human equivalent of that video Lexus made comparing the RC to the 4 series.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by R N M

LOL

All of the above cars are cheaper and most have a much stronger brand name / history.

Most people buying at this level want to show off therefore badge is important. Just look at how poorly LFA sold even though it was praised by everyone as a truly great car. For the money, buyers chose more established brands.
All these cars are GREAT and well more capable than any regular driver will ever be able to explore.

Old NSX came at the right time when supercar industry was almost non existant except for Ferrari.
New NSX is coming to market where there is a HUGE amount of amazing high performance and Super cars. I think it will be difficult for it to get any significant
Marketshare. New 488GTB will probably destroy it in terms of performance.

Loll.. Levi is like the human equivalent of that video Lexus made comparing the RC to the 4 series.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Topspeed

What a foolish statement about LFA sales. Did you not know that Lexus only produced 500 and all were sold in less than 2 years. The new nsx competes in price with the hideous i8 and not the 488.

I think you dont really know anything about LFA.

They could not sell even the small amount of the 500 units they produced.
They are sitting collecting dust YEARS after they went on sale at the dealers.
I think they finally sold the last new unit earlier this year.

The 2 year figure you mentioned was the PRODUCTION run.
But they were not sold out not even close.

[sonystyle02]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

This or the Ford GT?

Why are people comparing these two (just because they were announced around the same timeframe)?

$150k vs $400k

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by R N M

I think you dont really know anything about LFA.

They could not sell even the small amount of the 500 units they produced.
They are sitting collecting dust YEARS after they went on sale at the dealers.
I think they finally sold the last new unit earlier this year.

The 2 year figure you mentioned was the PRODUCTION run.
But they were not sold out not even close.

The reason why BMW does not build Z cars, even less Z M cars: they are dust collectors. BMW badge is not enough to sell a Z.

[8k3]

hideous rear end, mix between LFA and Vett, nose needs work too. Side is a copy of R8

[8k3]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Loll.. Levi is like the human equivalent of that video Lexus made comparing the RC to the 4 series.

Yes pay no attention

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Levi

The reason why BMW does not build Z cars, even less Z M cars: they are dust collectors. BMW badge is not enough to sell a Z.

BMW has a Z4 last time I checked and a new generation is around the corner.
They also have the i8 which has been a huge success in terms of sales and very positive reviews from the press.

BMW also has plenty of Performance cars in the $100k + price range that actually sell such as M5, M6, Alpina 6 and 7, X5M, X6M and i8.

Lexus and Acura has ZERO models in the 100k + range.
The customer base of these brands are very wealthy but they dont spend their disposable income on cars.

Lexus and Acura also are very inconsistent with their performance models.
No plans for LFA II, SC was discontinued, ISF discontinued, NSX was dead for 10yrs, S2000 discontinued etc.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by R N M

BMW has a Z4 last time I checked and a new generation is around the corner.
They also have the i8 which has been a huge success in terms of sales and very positive reviews from the press.

BMW also has plenty of Performance cars in the $100k + price range that actually sell such as M5, M6, Alpina 6 and 7, X5M, X6M and i8.

Lexus and Acura has ZERO models in the 100k + range.
The customer base of these brands are very wealthy but they dont spend their disposable income on cars.

Lexus and Acura also are very inconsistent with their performance models.
No plans for LFA II, SC was discontinued, ISF discontinued, NSX was dead for 10yrs, S2000 discontinued etc.

i8 is a pseudo sportscar. Perforamce cars are not sportscars. BMW sells millions of small underpowered diesels, because customers wants a worthless badge. The Z car around the corner would not be without Toyota. All M cars BMW has currently are not sportscars, but "just" souped-up standard BMWs. Just more power? No, more than that, but who today doesn't do that?

NSX is the first obtainable hybrid supercar.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Levi

i8 is a pseudo sportscar. Perforamce cars are not sportscars. BMW sells millions of small underpowered diesels, because customers wants a worthless badge. The Z car around the corner would not be without Toyota. All M cars BMW has currently are not sportscars, but "just" souped-up standard BMWs. Just more power? No, more than that, but who today doesn't do that?

NSX is the first obtainable hybrid supercar.

You are pretty clueless lol.

What has Toyota added to new Z car?
NOTHING - Its actually the other way around that BMW is doing all the chassis development and providing its turbo inline 6 to be used for the new Supra, which is embarrassing that Toyota cant even develop one of the most storied nameplates in its history on its own.
In return for all this, Toyota will give BMW access to its hybrid tech.

How is NSX any more obtainable than a Porsche 911 turbo or Maserati, etc.
Its prices over $150k and it will sell in miniscule numbers.
Most ppl could care less about hybrid supercars. They want great looks, huge power, great handling, and a known brand. Def not Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus. Sales #s prove this.

At the end of the day Ferrari can sell a pile of crap bec of the brand name.

[Blackhawks]

why Acura is afraid of 8 cylinders I will never know...

[BMW269]

@R N M
You are pretty clueless lol.

Originally Posted by R N M

How is NSX any more obtainable than a Porsche 911 turbo or Maserati, etc.

Porsche, Maserati, Jaguar, Audi, AMG are not hybrid. The only performance hybrids are LaFerrari, P1 and 918, even if you have the money, you can't buy them because they are sold out, they were limited, NSX is not.

Originally Posted by R N M

Most ppl could care less about hybrid supercars. They want great looks, huge power, great handling, and a known brand.

And yet BMW brags with its underperforming i8 sportscar and as for looks, NSX is the best looking mid-rear engine car. Brand name, I know, people will buy a crap car with an Apple badge.

Originally Posted by R N M

Def not Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus. Sales #s prove this.

Too early to say about Honda, but Lexus is the fastest growing premium brand according to sales increase.

Originally Posted by R N M

At the end of the day Ferrari can sell a pile of crap bec of the brand name.

That applies to VW, Audi, BMW, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mercedes. That that not apply to Alfa Romeo and Maserati, otherwise FCA would not have the well-known financial problems.

[R N M]

NSX looks average at best for a supercar.
It is very small car in real life actually.

Im not sure why you hate the i8 so much since it came to market way before the NSX with same concept of being a hybrid supercar. i8 looks like nothing else on the road thats why its selling even though it has 3cyl engine.....

Levi you seem to be one of those internet trolls absent any reason behind your support, so good luck to you and the NSX. Do you have one on order BTW?

I suggest you check NSX forums and see lack of excitement about this new car even from current NSX owners.