[VRG_135]

Originally Posted by Refined

How about American Presidents posing for photo ops with the Saudis? There are more human rights abuses going on there than few other places in the world, but they're ok because Uncle Sam says so, right?

The middle east is a cesspool of human rights abuses and intolerance. How does that make Trudeau's statement less ignorant?

[larryn]

Originally Posted by Refined

How about American Presidents posing for photo ops with the Saudis? There are more human rights abuses going on there than few other places in the world, but they're ok because Uncle Sam says so, right?

Or accepting jewelry and personal monetary gifts leading to a partnership with Brunei for the TPA while she was Secretary of State.

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Israel is in a bad place now. Their leaders are corrupt and right wing hasedim mashugana are living off the taxes everyone else pays and serves. The intelligent secular Israeli are Obama supporters, the Russian immigrants and American religious implants who couldn't hack it in the U.S. are the Trump supporters.

@ScottSinger

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by Refined

How about American Presidents posing for photo ops with the Saudis? There are more human rights abuses going on there than few other places in the world, but they're ok because Uncle Sam says so, right?

I'm also embarrassed about by The whole fcking West not having the balls to say Islam violates basic human rights of Women, gays, i guess throwing a guy in jail for converting to Christianity is also a violation of human rights.
And do all we can to stop this cancer.

[PA135i]

Maybe Obama opened up relations with Cuba because he has eyes on some beachfront property near Havana. Si ?

[fravel]

Originally Posted by anglo

I'm also embarrassed about by The whole fcking West not having the balls to say Islam violates basic human rights of Women, gays, i guess throwing a guy in jail for converting to Christianity is also a violation of human rights.
And do all we can to stop this cancer.

What exactly do you expect us to do? Sovereign countries are sovereign. As much as I agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure I'm on board with the "west" dictating how otherwise sovereign nations conduct business within their own borders.

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by fravel

What exactly do you expect us to do? Sovereign countries are sovereign. As much as I agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure I'm on board with the "west" dictating how otherwise sovereign nations conduct business within their own borders.

What's the point of the UN then? Another example, Tens of thousands killed, Yazidi girls taken as sex slaves etc, you would think the UN will have a resolution for all member countries to march on to Syria to stop it.

At least denounce what's going on. You can not have any religion that goes against human rights.

We also looked the other way when the Jews were being killed in Germany and only intervened when we were attacked.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by anglo

Liberals have no shame, they criticized Trump for praising Putin and then turn around praise Fidel, whose regime makes Putin's look like child's play.

Putin has done a lot to the Russian economy, improved the standard of living, Russians have full access to the west's media, unrestricted internet etc. unlike China, Cuba.

Oh come on . I must have missed a few chapters in history if we got Fidel vs Vladimir and Fidel is the baddie contest winner.

I'm ultra super duper liberal and for Castro's merits I'd list superb mechanical skills given to people there, great music, and warm weather. I'm aware I might have had to stretch at times with that but he's dead, let's be kind.

I'd really like to see the comparison though.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by anglo

I'm also embarrassed about by The whole fcking West not having the balls to say Islam violates basic human rights of Women, gays, i guess throwing a guy in jail for converting to Christianity is also a violation of human rights.
And do all we can to stop this cancer.

Dude you just elected a president who doesn't give a fuck about woman's rights, gay rights he doesn't like, birth control is gonna be an issue there soon too.

I'm quoting you again, but my point is not to attack you this time. I agree with all the issues being issues and I always vote! I just pick my candidate from what he says, not from a party, or a sex or an age group. Religion doesn't matter to me either.

Koran does violate the modern rights. I'm so very glad the bible does so much better on that front *sarcasm*.

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by Lups

Dude you just elected a president who doesn't give a fuck about woman's rights, gay rights he doesn't like, birth control is gonna be an issue there soon too.

I'm quoting you again, but my point is not to attack you this time. I agree with all the issues being issues and I always vote! I just pick my candidate from what he says, not from a party, or a sex or an age group. Religion doesn't matter to me either.

Koran does violate the modern rights. I'm so very glad the bible does so much better on that front *sarcasm*.

You must not be familiar with the bible, the new testament is what we follow, it supercedes the old testament that was just as barbaric as the Quran.

That's why we dont stone adulterers (women) to death, for example , allow polygamy, do honor killings, or force 12 year old girls to marry to 50 yo Men.

Those people are just following their book.


"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Jesus protected the women who was about to be stoned to death.

[overcoil]

I LOVE YOU Lups !

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by Lups

Oh come on . I must have missed a few chapters in history if we got Fidel vs Vladimir and Fidel is the baddie contest winner.

I'm ultra super duper liberal and for Castro's merits I'd list superb mechanical skills given to people there, great music, and warm weather. I'm aware I might have had to stretch at times with that but he's dead, let's be kind.

I'd really like to see the comparison though.

Not surprised, in college when my parents took care of me and i didn't have to have job to support myself, i was a Liberal too.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Refined

How about American Presidents posing for photo ops with the Saudis? There are more human rights abuses going on there than few other places in the world, but they're ok because Uncle Sam says so, right?

Agreed, however this includes both parties. And Saudi is different in that it affects the world economy, it hasn't declared the US an enemy, and their people have access to news abd the internet as well as the ability to leave.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by anglo

What's the point of the UN then? Another example, Tens of thousands killed, Yazidi girls taken as sex slaves etc, you would think the UN will have a resolution for all member countries to march on to Syria to stop it.

At least denounce what's going on. You can not have any religion that goes against human rights.

We also looked the other way when the Jews were being killed in Germany and only intervened when we were attacked.

The UN and the UN Human Rights Commission is too busy sharpening their knives to attack (figuratively) the Trump Administration to worry about real human rights abuses by the PRC, Cuba, Iran, pretty much the entire Middle East, Russia, most of Africa, etc...

Why bother going after real offenses when it's cool to attack the USA, especially under what they think Trump will be like.

Honestly, fuck the UN. In its current incarnation (not what it is chartered to be, but what actually happens), it embodies everything I despise about the liberal left.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by anglo

You must not be familiar with the bible, the new testament is what we follow, it supercedes the old testament that was just as barbaric as the Quran.

That's why we dont stone adulterers (women) to death, for example , allow polygamy, do honor killings, or force 12 year old girls to marry to 50 yo Men.

Those people are just following their book.


"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Jesus protected the women who was about to be stoned to death.

I would say the that the old and new testament are both equally important. The new testament is the fullfillment of the old, through Jesus's death, because we could never fulfill it ourselves. But the Bible does do a much better job at protecting and elevating women than the Koran does.

It's not about modern 'perceived' rights - that's what kills me about society. Somehow society seems to think that they've "evolved" into some vastly superior beings from past history simply because they are all about LGBT causes or some other similar issue. But they conveniently do not go back far enough in history - there is cyclicality in history that might surprise these so called 'enlightened' people. And they'd see that they might not be so different from say the Romans. And what happened to them? Things changed then, they'll change now.

Or the world will continue to degenerate, who knows really, maybe we'll break the cycle. As Joshua says, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by anglo

You must not be familiar with the bible, the new testament is what we follow, it supercedes the old testament that was just as barbaric as the Quran.

That's why we dont stone adulterers (women) to death, for example , allow polygamy, do honor killings, or force 12 year old girls to marry to 50 yo Men.

Those people are just following their book.


"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Jesus protected the women who was about to be stoned to death.

I wasn't aware Christians ditched the old testament all together, sorry, I must brush up on religion too. Ill do it right after my herbal tea.

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

I LOVE YOU Lups !

Love you too

Originally Posted by anglo

Not surprised, in college when my parents took care of me and i didn't have to have job to support myself, i was a Liberal too.

Cool, I had to work while in uni too, and even after that. Dqmn you've had a better life than I.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

The UN and the UN Human Rights Commission is too busy sharpening their knives to attack (figuratively) the Trump Administration to worry about real human rights abuses by the PRC, Cuba, Iran, pretty much the entire Middle East, Russia, most of Africa, etc...

Why bother going after real offenses when it's cool to attack the USA, especially under what they think Trump will be like.

Honestly, fuck the UN. In its current incarnation (not what it is chartered to be, but what actually happens), it embodies everything I despise about the liberal left.

Agreed. It was created to stop world wars. No more of those coming anytime soon. Really its done nothing worthwhile since the cuban missle crisis. Its always headed by someone from some liberal greedy third world country. The agenda is always throw the US under the bus. We pay for it. We domicile it. The "representatives " take advantage of us and our laws with diplomatic immunity. Any resolutions done could be made as easily now with our ambassadors getting coalitions together outside it. Etc etc. Worthless

[Fundguy1]

And i thought this was about Mr Castro kiss ass raise taxes I don't know what I'm doing socialist elected by obama Canadiam PM and Mr blood thirsty dictator greedy self serving communist pig who finally died bettering the world in leaving it.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by anglo

At least denounce what's going on. You can not have any religion that goes against human rights.

Exactly...and as much as I agree; all they can do is write a strongly worded letter. Besides, we've got more than enough screwed up stuff in our own countries to worry about. The plank in our own eye and all that.

Originally Posted by anglo

We also looked the other way when the Jews were being killed in Germany and only intervened when we were attacked.

Not quite... the 'final solution to the Jewish question' wasn't implemented until the later stages of the war. We knew that Jews were being treated as second-class citizens before we acted, sure, but the U.S. was very much involved by the time we realized what was actually happening there. (I'm assuming you mean the U.S. when you say "we" cause the U.N. wasn't around yet).

Again, as much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't like the idea of the U.S. (which comprises the bulk of the force the U.N. *could* project) being world police.

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by fravel

Exactly...and as much as I agree; all they can do is write a strongly worded letter. Besides, we've got more than enough screwed up stuff in our own countries to worry about. The plank in our own eye and all that.



Not quite... the 'final solution to the Jewish question' wasn't implemented until the later stages of the war. We knew that Jews were being treated as second-class citizens before we acted, sure, but the U.S. was very much involved by the time we realized what was actually happening there. (I'm assuming you mean the U.S. when you say "we" cause the U.N. wasn't around yet).

Again, as much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't like the idea of the U.S. (which comprises the bulk of the force the U.N. *could* project) being world police.

That's just silly to think we treat women, gays etc. worse than in Islamic countries.


According to the USHM
December 8, 1941: The first killing operations begin at Chelmno in occupied Poland.

Also

Once Hitler did receive power, he wasted little time. For most, Kristallnacht – The Night of Broken Glass – signaled the beginning of the Holocaust. On the 9th of November, 1938, German soldiers attacked thousands of Jews, destroyed synagogues, and ransacked Jews shops. Only 91 officially died, but most historians suspect the number was far higher. In the days following Kristallnacht more than 30,000 Jews were sent to concentration camps and held for weeks at a time.

We did nothing

[Mandi90TT]

Side note: It completely boggles my mind that someone could be so disconnected from reality as to think that Castro was good for Cuba. It's just as ridiculous as one of the trudeaueulogies I saw that said 'Though controversial, Emperor Palpatine brought order to the galaxy, ended the separatist movement and brought many technological advances'

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Side note: It completely boggles my mind that someone could be so disconnected from reality as to think that Castro was good for Cuba. It's just as ridiculous as one of the trudeaueulogies I saw that said 'Though controversial, Emperor Palpatine brought order to the galaxy, ended the separatist movement and brought many technological advances'

Hitler did a lot for animal rights in Germany and also helped to put together the highway system over there. I guess we should praise him next?