[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ASAP

not when everyone goes to a similar ev platform... or if the germans get some dumb idea that its better and cheaper to build fwd platform cars only

Exactly.

And manufacturers who were once miles and miles behind in the driving departament, now are on par. We never thought the Koreans could make such exciting driving machines, yet here they are.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Exactly.

And manufacturers who were once miles and miles behind in the driving departament, now are on par. We never thought the Koreans could make such exciting driving machines, yet here they are.

the real irony? the german luxury brands already make a ton of of fwd car lol... all the lower series are exactly that... that was roughly when premium stopped being premium... either way, the german auto industry is arguably in the worst shape its even been... vw is about to layoff thousands and have a plant closure

[Greer]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

The LCI will bring the Panoramic Vision interface with it which is why I’d want to be waiting for.

Yup, I will also be waiting for this option.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the real irony? the german luxury brands already make a ton of of fwd car lol... all the lower series are exactly that... that was roughly when premium stopped being premium... either way, the german auto industry is arguably in the worst shape its even been... vw is about to layoff thousands and have a plant closure

Not BMW

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Not BMW

Earnings are concerning:

https://companiesmarketcap.com/bmw/earnings/

BMW is in decent shape but their long game is a concern.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

The G90 weighs more than my 2023 Audi S8, and my car has the long wheelbase.

On the plus side, it won't understeer like your Audi.


I want to hate the M5 given the weight, electrification, etc., but TBH, it seems BMW did the best they could with what they have to work with.

I believe the transition to EVs will be stopped, but it is difficult to say what the future of motoring is going to look like for anyone with petrol in their veins.

The fact that BMW didn't follow woke companies like VW and Merc is to be applauded. The M5 still has a proper engine, and BMW didn't bet the farm on silly tech. that is now driving VW Group into closing down multiple plants.

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by outie

Status.

Not sure anyone will look at a G90 M5 and think status. It’s not beautiful. People in that oroce range would rather just get a Porsche or M3/4 at this point, myself included.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Not BMW

the largest and most significant in Germany itself is VW which is 6 x the size of bmw... its currently seeing major threats from Chinese EV manufacturers and Evs falling off a cliff in general... as a result they are about to be laying off tons and closing a plant... this is a huge deal for the German auto industry

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ad-2024-10-28/

Benz is a total disaster for what they did w the new line and key to point out that BMWs largest factory is in the USA lol...

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Not sure anyone will look at a G90 M5 and think status. It’s not beautiful. People in that oroce range would rather just get a Porsche or M3/4 at this point, myself included.

M3/M4 are not status cars, though. Those are kids cars. Only high school kids drive them where I live. My brother got his first M3 at 17 years old, an E36 manual. I learned to drive stick on that car.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

M3/M4 are not status cars, though. Those are kids cars. Only high school kids drive them where I live. My brother got his first M3 at 17 years old, an E36 manual. I learned to drive stick on that car.

Many Americans live in debt, paycheck to paycheck.

The idea that an M3 or 4 is not a status car is ridiculous.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by Neusser

Many Americans live in debt, paycheck to paycheck.

The idea that an M3 or 4 is not a status car is ridiculous.

Where I live, they are kids cars. Teenagers drive them, not adults.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Where I live, they are kids cars. Teenagers drive them, not adults.

Unfortunatly thats true that m3 and M4 modded and driven by teenagers (i have no irdea how can they afford those cars given a modded m3 is 100k+)
One of the reasons i got into an M8 not an M4

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Where I live, they are kids cars. Teenagers drive them, not adults.

Same here. Definitely NOT status cars.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Where I live, they are kids cars. Teenagers drive them, not adults.

Where I live if I see someone in an M3 or M4 I immediately assume they are poor and less fortunate than me.

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Where I live if I see someone in an M3 or M4 I immediately assume they are poor and less fortunate than me.

Wow.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Moewron

Wow.

i am 99% confident that was a joke lol...

the m3 and m4 are currently the it machines for flexing on IG... and w them costing up to $110k now, it would be crazy to think otherwise...

2 things have happened since the last gen-

1) people are far more to get into debt (no matter how much) than ever to flex and show off these cars on social media... far too easy availability of credit

and

2) it is now an awd car that has been opened to many more markets making it a bit more in demand as the audi and benz counterparts suck... that just makes it better for instagram launch videos lol


there was a time when the m3 and m4 were niche rwd enthusiast cars... they are no longer that... but rather status symbols to many

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i am 99% confident that was a joke lol...

the m3 and m4 are currently the it machines for flexing on IG... and w them costing up to $110k now, it would be crazy to think otherwise...

2 things have happened since the last gen-

1) people are far more to get into debt (no matter how much) than ever to flex and show off these cars on social media... far too easy availability of credit

and

2) it is now an awd car that has been opened to many more markets making it a bit more in demand as the audi and benz counterparts suck... that just makes it better for instagram launch videos lol


there was a time when the m3 and m4 were niche rwd enthusiast cars... they are no longer that... but rather status symbols to many

Definitely was kidding around.

[Moewron]

Oh thank god lol

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Where I live, they are kids cars. Teenagers drive them, not adults.

I hear the same thing over here uttered in Chorweiler (a ghetto in Cologne, Germany).

"Bruder, was für eine Kinderkarre!"

--Dönerbude Bro.

[FilipBoute]

Any idea when the reviews of the touring will start to popup online ?

[GJBFI]

Originally Posted by FilipBoute

Any idea when the reviews of the touring will start to popup online ?

In two days

[Moewron]

Awesome! Although I'm really curious for the actual reviews like from Demuro, SavageGeese, and even Straight Pipes full review (rather than just bombing along the autobahn... which, admittedly, was pretty cool).