[Gautam]

Originally Posted by BMWCAT

Just some comparison with how F90 was received back in 2018..

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1414257

There will always be people resist to the change and dislikes on the design. People were impressed with the F90 weight/ performance for the most part

But so far thru the pages of the comments on this post I’d say G90 is def having it worse LOL.

I’m sure I won’t need to dwell on the topics of weight/ 0-62/ looks (honestly looks okay to me) other enthusiast will do it in the comments for me…

Here’s to also hope BMW solved all the electrical issues/ gremlins from the XMs so all the eager expected owners won’t be having their new G90 in the dealership for service too often
(Check out how XMs were doing… with check engine lights and constant issues )

I've owned E, F and G BMW's, and generally think new > old. I like iDrive 8+.

The G90 looks great to me inside and out. But the weight and powertrain is very hard to overlook. This is the first time that the weight jumped by such a large percentage generation to generation, and its also the first time that an M5 is not decisively better performing than its predecessor. The E60, for example, was controversial for a host of reasons, but no could deny that it was much faster than the E39, on a different level really.

An opinion that'll perhaps piss off all sides, I'd have been a lot more excited about this thing if it were a pure EV with 200 more horses and weighed 200 lbs less. It has competition in that territory.

[M2COMP]

I think we have seen the best of M5 in F90 M5

[RPiM5]

Where do I begin...

I decided to come out of retirement, albeit briefly, for this one.

I'm not sure there was any right direction or answer for this G90 generation of M5. Given today's technologies, what other manufacturers are making, and the future of the automotive industry; what was this M5 supposed to be? Especially given that the pace of technology is moving so fast.

In today's world we have Tesla Model 3's achieving 2.9s 0-60 times from the factory for under $50,000 USD, we have almost every type of performance car going AWD because cars in general have become so heavy, and most importantly we have world governments dictating emissions and fuel economy standards for all cars, not just the mass market consumer models, but also all performance and sports cars.

I feel the G90 M5 was designed with M Division having one arm tied behind their back. Never mind that battery technology today is still not where it needs to be, but there was one of 5 directions that the G90 M5 could have gone:

1. Fully Electric
2. Performance Hybrid
3. Full ICE
4. Retro
5. Plug In Hybrid

1. Fully Electric: The M5 could have had 1,000+hp but with a range of probably less than 240miles on the US EPA cycle. That wouldn't have worked, especially given how each country has different charging infrastructure, and with the USA still being far behind many other developed countries.

2. Performance Hybrid: The latest 992.2 Porsche 911 being the prime example here, or the Chevy Corvette E-Ray. Electric turbos, small battery, smaller lighter electric motors that supplement the ICE engine instead of try to make up for the ICE engine, all while keeping the weight of the car down, but no all electric range. This wouldn't have worked for BMW because this setup hardly effects CO2 emission cycles.

3. Full ICE: It probably would have been too difficult for this setup to meet new EU emissions standards. And what would have this setup offered that the F90 M5 already didn't?

4. Retro: A la the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. Imagine a G90 M5 that just said screw it and offered a Manual Transmission, a Lighter Chassis than even the F90 M5CS, RWD, maybe even an all new Naturally Aspirated or Turbo Engine that was somehow more fuel efficient than the S63tu4, but at the same time higher revving and more exotic, Hydraulic Steering, maybe some Active Aero. Something that was at the same time more Analog yet more technologically advanced than any M5 before. Something that sung that same song as the E39 M5 but with all the tech we have today in the cockpit. Wouldn't that have been something? But again, EU emissions regulations.

5. Plug In Hybrid: I think the M Division did the best they could with what they had. They were given a chassis that from the very start wasn't designed to be any one thing. It was designed to be 3 things at once, an electric car, an ICE car, and a plug in hybrid car. One area that I am super pleased with, that M did, was to keep the battery pack low in the chassis between the axles, unlike the Panamera E-Hybrid, but this was made easier by the fact that the G60 chassis was already designed for it from the beginning. This Plug in Hybrid is both the worst of all options and the best at the same time. Did anyone else notice how small and tiny the gas tank is on this new G90. 15.9 gallons?? The F10 M5 had a prodigious 21 gallon size tank. I am willing to bet the G90 will have a max range of about 350 miles or less. There are Lucid BEV's with more range than that.

Other things in random order:

- Thank God the G90 comes with some sort of decorative door sills

- Does the G90 M5 have massaging seats? I didn't see any mention of them.

- Will the G90 M5 have an A.S.S. system? Will the engine shut off every time you come to a stop? Didn't see any mention of it.

- Where are the Fender Grilles? Granted the E39 M5 didn't have them either and I understand that the new Plug door for the electrical cable gets in the way on the fender, but Geesus, the G90 M5 just doesn't look right without them. This is a huge turn off for me personally and a big disappointment.

- The interior luxury and aesthetics of the G90 pales in comparison to previous generations. Even a BMW 330i comes with an optional Sensatec Dash that has some nice cross stitching on it. The G90 M5 has no sense of luxurious appointments that differentiate from a base 530i besides the Carbon Fiber trim option. Will there be a Full Leather option? Maybe I'm missing something here. Or if there is a Full Leather option will it be as bad as the F90, where the lower door panels were still made out of plastic. And the F10 M5 had the sexy B&O Sound system where the center speaker rose out of dash every time you started the car. Where's this type of luxury in the G90 M5????

- What happened to the G90 M5's launch color or color options in general? The F10 M5 launched in a bespoke Monte Carlo Blue that was very sexy. The F90 had a few new color options when it launched. The G90? I guess Storm Bay Metallic is the only new color, all the rest have been around a while. Talk about a marketing failure. At least they brought back Marina Bay Blue which in my opinion is one of the best colors BMW ever came out with in its history.

- Soft close doors? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller??

- Stick Shifter Delete. I understand that there was literally no room for one on the center console, but man, talk about killing the engagement factor. Even the 992 911 still kept a some sort of a shifter for the PDK and for the driver. The shift paddles are not enough.

- Side view mirrors. Anyone else notice they are same exact design as on the i5 M60???? Lazy M Division, very lazy. Such a disappointment, almost unforgivable. If I'm spending $120,000 on an M5, I want bespoke M5 side view mirrors. Is that too much to ask for??

- At least they put a little bit of nappa leather on the airbag on the steering wheel. That's what $120,000 gets you over a $60,000 530i. Sheesh!

- Does 4-Zone Climate Control come standard on the G90 M5? You can't even spec that on a regular 5-Series in the USA. You have to do a special factory order for that if you want it.

- Anyone else think the G90 M5 seats look too close to the G80 M3 seats?

- So glad the trunk space in the G90 is not affected by the Hybrid batteries.

- They are obviously leaving room for growth by making the ICE engine output only 585hp.

- I'm not even mad there's no G90 M5 Competition. I always felt the Competition Package or Competition version was just another money grab by BMW for people that wanted the extra badge and whereby 90% of people who owned the Competition never even took the car to the racetrack to really feel the differences.

Overall, I think they did a good job with the design in keeping it subtle enough for 80% of actual "leasees" who will do nothing but drive this car to and from their office. It's tough to say that this G90 M5 will actually perform any better on the track than an F90 M5, and I am interested to see if there will be any Nurburgring times for the G90. This G90 is more tech than luxury, more efficiency than engagement, and more street use than track use. I can't imagine a set of stock steel brake rotors lasting more than 1 day of track use with the kind of weight the G90 is hauling around.

F90 M5CS owners are probably the ones who made out the best with today's news on the G90 M5. Same goes for anybody who owns a 6MT F10 M5.

I would say the only thing that makes the G90 M5 special in today's automotive world, is that at least it's still got a V8 engine. The direct M5 competitors today are either all electric EV's, cars with downsized motors, or cars that are soon going out of production or already have.

Big powerful Sport Sedans with big ICE engines are a dying breed, and the BMW M5 may be the segments last breath. I don't know whether to cheer that the M5 still has a V8 or cry that this car may be the last of its kind. There's a lot of little things that could have made the G90 M5 soooo much better, but in the end I guess we'll just have to settle for that fact that it's all that's left.

I'm glad that I kept my F10 M5 and never got rid of it. To me, it's the last drivers M5 (Purist) with it's hydraulic steering, 52/48 weight distribution, RWD, and optional Manual Transmission (but the DCT is still a fantastic transmission and far more engaging than the ZF Auto), and arguably the best looking.

As a last point, I feel the G90 M5 is the Aston Martin V12 Vantage from yesteryear. It will probably be the last Sports Sedan you can buy with a V8 engine, just like the V12 Vantage was one of the last Naturally Aspirated V12's you could buy with a Manual Transmission. Jeremy Clarkson said it best:

"What it makes me feel though is sad. I just can't help thinking that thanks to all sorts of things; the environment, the economy, problems in the Middle East, the relentless war on speed, cars like this will soon be consigned to the history books. I just have this horrible, dreadful feeling, that what I'm driving here is... an ending."

The 2025 G90 M5 is... an ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0Svvdrx_E

[J-RO]

The rear end looks odd.

[SaxyBMW]

Biased, but great color combo for the launch.

It's been said, and I know 0-60 times are not everything, but being that it is advertised the same as the current M3/M4 xDrive, and it's way heavier, what is the point?? Other than less polarizing styling, a larger footprint, and really just clout? Dunno. I do like it though - maybe when I'm in my 60s.

[BMWCAT]

Originally Posted by Gautam

I've owned E, F and G BMW's, and generally think new > old. I like iDrive 8+.

The G90 looks great to me inside and out. But the weight and powertrain is very hard to overlook. This is the first time that the weight jumped by such a large percentage generation to generation, and its also the first time that an M5 is not decisively better performing than its predecessor. The E60, for example, was controversial for a host of reasons, but no could deny that it was much faster than the E39, on a different level really.

An opinion that'll perhaps piss off all sides, I'd have been a lot more excited about this thing if it were a pure EV with 200 more horses and weighed 200 lbs less. It has competition in that territory.

I totally agree with the last sentiment! We’ve got a Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo. Which we are surprise to find out that it’s about 2-300 lbs lighter.
With similar amount of power. Higher torque, and way less complicated to own in the long run.

[hb]

Originally Posted by M3ddox

Will there be a competition? Does anyone know? They either fudged the numbers so bad for the performance and it’s gonna crush the F90 or we are getting a comp version eventually right??

There won't be any

[itzryyster]

I think it looks great. F90/G30 will always be my favorite but at the end of the day, it will age and new will always reign.
Give it time and this new M5 will grow on you. Can’t wait to see it in person 👌

[yousefnjr]

Seems like this is a quick DME tune to ~800hp + 200 more from the motor… I dont think power will be a problem here

[HMN]

Mixed emotions here

[HMN]

Originally Posted by M3ddox

Will there be a competition? Does anyone know? They either fudged the numbers so bad for the performance and it’s gonna crush the F90 or we are getting a comp version eventually right??

I heard somewhere that they're preserving the "pure V8" for the CS version with around 20hp more.

[Holset]

I keep my F90.

[xxdachosen1xx]

Everyone keeps asking the same silly question will their be a comp? Ask yourself when has BMW launched a new M5 as a first year comp? They always released a comp on year 2 or 3. BMW is a for profit business and I’m sure will strategically release it within the next year or so.

[G87M2GS]

… and the ‘Scrolling Award for Initial Post on a Mobile Device’ goes too…

[MinMax]

Looks wild!
With all the investment spent on new technology, I just wish some day they could figure out how to reduce brake dust collecting on standard M brake.

[speedmaster20d]

so they added so much weight and complexity, the result is 10% lower power to weight ratio compared to the previous generation.... maybe the had to do this to be able to make them in Europe...

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Seems like this is a quick DME tune to ~800hp + 200 more from the motor… I dont think power will be a problem here

MAKING Power won't be but the limiting factor is the tranny.

737 ft lbs ..if you notice all models from anyone ( VW group,FCA, BMW) that are using this ZF 8 speed and eletric motor combo are not exceeding 737.

ZF needs to make generation 3 of this box and up the limits.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by speedmaster20d

so they added so much weight and complexity, the result is 10% lower power to weight ratio compared to the previous generation.... maybe the had to do this to be able to make them in Europe...

Keep in mind the ev side is about 200hp with 300+ ft torque torque that is instant. It's not an apples to apples too a NA motor ... an ev motor makes all power right now all the time.


Yes, emissions regulations and market trends caused this when this car was pinned out years ago.

[domino_z]

That wheel though

Sign me up for a touring

[JohnEnglish]

They made a German Hellcat Charger except it’s 750 lbs heavier.

[M3N4CE]

Cheers to all the M5 CS and previous gen M5 owners out there 🍻

[Gfit]

To each their own. Based on the comments, I’m hoping to get a good deal on one in about a year but if history is any guide, I thought the same, based on all the hate, on the G80 when that was released and had to pay MSRP and still today, years later, discounts are minimal.