[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

New housing developments, new commercial and industrial building won't overload grid capacity, but electric cars will?

Back in the 50s few people had AC. When central ac and window units starting being installed, and commercial buildings starting adding HVAV the grid kept up.

Arguing about the grid and EV impact on it seems dumb.

It's not that we can't evolve the grid, it's the time span. Imagine in 1950 a law was passed that by 1963 all homes needed to have AC, and that it had to be used a lot, year round rain or shine.

13 years isn't enough time to get it done.

Then there is the problem of where this power will come from, it's still a mystery as we continue to shut down coal plants, and what we are replacing it with isn't available a lot of the time. In the 1950's we were building hydro and coal left and right, and on grand scales.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

It's not that we can't evolve the grid, it's the time span. Imagine in 1950 a law was passed that by 1963 all homes needed to have AC, and that it had to be used a lot, year round rain or shine.

13 years isn't enough time to get it done.

Then there is the problem of where this power will come from, it's still a mystery as we continue to shut down coal plants, and what we are replacing it with isn't available a lot of the time. In the 1950's we were building hydro and coal left and right, and on grand scales.

And I just saw a news story about how there are shortages of qualified electricians to do the power line installs needed to expand the grid. So you have that constraint there too.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

New housing developments, new commercial and industrial building won't overload grid capacity, but electric cars will?

Back in the 50s few people had AC. When central ac and window units starting being installed, and commercial buildings starting adding HVAV the grid kept up.

Arguing about the grid and EV impact on it seems dumb.

Tell that to the folks in California with rolling black outs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AX18Y

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

It's not that we can't evolve the grid, it's the time span. Imagine in 1950 a law was passed that by 1963 all homes needed to have AC, and that it had to be used a lot, year round rain or shine.

13 years isn't enough time to get it done.

Then there is the problem of where this power will come from, it's still a mystery as we continue to shut down coal plants, and what we are replacing it with isn't available a lot of the time. In the 1950's we were building hydro and coal left and right, and on grand scales.

That is an excellent comparison. I say so, because I am in the air conditioning industry. That could never have happened in 13 years.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Tell that to the folks in California with rolling black outs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AX18Y

And it's not just California. I experienced outages recently at my primary home. Some that didn't last that long. Some that lasted over an hour. Same applies to my vacation home over in Delaware. It's not uncommon for me to show up there and see power has been out when I see the flashing clocks on my appliances.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by StradaRedlands

I don't know about the Brazilian fuel, sounds like ethanol? Bio-fuels aren't sustainable though (rainforest=good), but sounds like synthetic cooooould be. The form of the energy inputs are the trick... how much of the US's southwestern desert will you need to cover with PV panels to do this?

We really need a Dyson sphere.

Of course, I was looking for that word 'Ethanol' to which there are a lot of VW Beetle's in Brazil running on that.
There are small concentrations of ethanol in the gas over here which has been reported to be bad for car engine seals especially with the normal 95 E10 gas with 10% ethanol in it. I use a 99 RON gas in the M that has no ethanol in it, Texaco Supreme Performance.

[KRS_SN]

Cant get enough electricity to run evs and now we need electricity to make synthetic fuels too. One more added to the imaginary wishlist i suppose

[freakystyly]

Not saying consumer level consumption would make up the difference but oil and gas production is among the top consumers of electricity. A reduction should in theory free up some capacity. But it likely wont.

[KRS_SN]

Interesting point
Do we have data on how many kwh of electricity are needed to produce 1litre of synthetic fuel.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Interesting point
Do we have data on how many kwh of electricity are needed to produce 1litre of synthetic fuel.

Harry's Garage, he's talking about EV vs Hybrid vs Synthetic. He gets to the synthetic bit about the 7 minute mark.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Harry's Garage, he's talking about EV vs Hybrid vs Synthetic. He gets to the synthetic bit about the 7 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1RiTCZFFg

Like Harry if you want to keep your classic cars going without feeling guilty about carbon emissions and have money to pay for it they seem to serve a purpose. I suspect that the cost will be prohibitive for most normal ice users.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Like Harry if you want to keep your classic cars going without feeling guilty about carbon emissions and have money to pay for it they seem to serve a purpose. I suspect that the cost will be prohibitive for most normal ice users.

Well, he says about double the cost right now of regular gas, who knows. I just like that there are folks out there who are trying to work on alternative rather than just saying if you keep your ICE you're evil.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Well, he says about double the cost right now of regular gas, who knows. I just like that there are folks out there who are trying to work on alternative rather than just saying if you keep your ICE you're evil.

Another interesting article.. seems it may serve a purpose.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/synthe...waAiJZEALw_wcB

[KRS_SN]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nuclear-option

"Land sparing lay at the core of the manifesto, with the aim of rewilding as much of the world’s surface as possible by concentrating human activities. Ultimately, they wrote, technology could “decouple” economic growth from planetary systems, and the “wise” use of nuclear power, genetic modification and intensive agriculture would lead “to a good, or even great Anthropocene”.

Precision fermentation and nuclear power are emblematic of the kinds of technical fixes they call for. Precision fermentation could, they claim, allow for the entire world’s protein to be produced from an area the size of London"


Are we trying to avoid or invite extinctions

[G30M]

to the original question -

yes i want an EV so bad, one that suits that i can afford of course, of which currently there are none

went for a hoon around just now in the M340i and i stopped the car and gassed the pedal - full to the floor and the car just won't move until it gets past 3000rpm.

i am so annoyed

/end rant

[RM7]

Originally Posted by g21

to the original question -

yes i want an EV so bad, one that suits that i can afford of course, of which currently there are none

went for a hoon around just now in the M340i and i stopped the car and gassed the pedal - full to the floor and the car just won't move until it gets past 3000rpm.

i am so annoyed

/end rant

That's throttle and automatic transmission lag. The turbo 3.0 makes plenty of torque well below 3000k. You need to drive a car with actual turbo lag where it doesn't build appreciable boost till 2800-3000...It ain't like your M340.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's throttle and automatic transmission lag. The turbo 3.0 makes plenty of torque well below 3000k. You need to drive a car with actual turbo lag where it doesn't build appreciable boost till 2800-3000...It ain't like your M340.

i know all about that

i had a manual subaru sti and its turbo starts to come on boost at 4000 rpm and starts to drop at 5000rpm

[Tejas1836]

OK, this is funny, like,
Alleged Thieves in Tesla SUV Arrested After Stopping To Charge 10 Miles From Crime Scene

https://www.thedrive.com/news/allege...om-crime-scene

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by g21

to the original question -

yes i want an EV so bad, one that suits that i can afford of course, of which currently there are none

went for a hoon around just now in the M340i and i stopped the car and gassed the pedal - full to the floor and the car just won't move until it gets past 3000rpm.

i am so annoyed

/end rant

Instant torque is so satisfying it feels weird going back to ICE on the weekends lol

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

OK, this is funny, like,
Alleged Thieves in Tesla SUV Arrested After Stopping To Charge 10 Miles From Crime Scene

https://www.thedrive.com/news/allege...om-crime-scene

Like a modern day dumb and dumber.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

OK, this is funny, like,
Alleged Thieves in Tesla SUV Arrested After Stopping To Charge 10 Miles From Crime Scene

https://www.thedrive.com/news/allege...om-crime-scene

more funny when the cops need to charge

[KRS_SN]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-64901247

"So instead of enjoying themselves and visiting local attractions, they will be driving around trying to find a charger."