[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by dfox

Feel free to do whatever makes you happy. Great that we have choices. Doesn't change how I see them though.

I grab my neighbors utility trailer that's substantially larger than any pickup truck bed. And if my neighbor didn't already have one, they're dirt cheap to rent. Much more useful than any pickup. More tiedowns. Easier to load and unload because it's closer to the ground. No concern about damaging anything because it's just wood and steel. Used it to buy siding to reside our house, engineered wood flooring for the first floor of our house, fireplace, new range, new fridge, etc... and I don't need to drive an oversized pickup that's a pain in the ass to park in the city, where my work also takes me a lot.

I don't disagree. My utility trailer is 4x8, and I'd get a 5' bed. It's way more useful for bang it up stuff cuz it was $400 not $75000. That said, having a modest bed with you at all times is great too. If I'm at Costco and decide to buy something large they have there, I can do it without having to go home, unpack the trailer, hitch up, and come back. Those slur of the moment things is where a truck as a daily really shines. I just wish they would make sport trucks again so they're fun to drive too, not these giant fake offroad trucks they keep pushing.

It's also nice when you have a neighbor with a trailer you can use, lol. Renting one one is cheap but a pain in the butt. Especially if you're not buying whatever you need from the place you're renting it from. And man, I HATE driving an unloaded trailer.

Frankly, I wish I could get something like the avalanche or Escalade EXT. I really wish it was sporty and fast. I had high hopes for the EV Silverado RST, and they managed to totally meet none of them.

[dreamingat30fps]

So renting a truck for those couple of times you need it is fine... but renting an ICE car for those couple of times you need to go on cross country road trips... oooh heeeeellll nawww!!!

Truck hate and EV hate (or should I say dislike for certain vehicular platforms? Is that PC enough?) are just different sides of the same coin.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

So renting a truck for those couple of times you need it is fine... but renting an ICE car for those couple of times you need to go on cross country road trips... oooh heeeeellll nawww!!!

Truck hate and EV hate (or should I say dislike for certain vehicular platforms? Is that PC enough?) are just different sides of the same coin.

I sort of agree, and sort of disagree. On the one hand, a truck is theost versatile vehicle you can own, that's why they're so popular. They can do ANYTHING. Family car, haul stuff in the bed, row, go fast, road trips, city trips, they don't all. On the other end, EVa are different where they do kinda one thing. Sure you could road trip them... If you're not in a hurry, but they're really good at commutes within their battery range. So in essence, they're total opposites.

That said, the argument that you don't need a truck cuz you can rent one and that you don't need anything other than an EV cuz you can rent a gas car are the same. It's also the argument for why you don't need a wife cuz you can rent a hooker, or anything that someone else thinks you shouldn't have,, it's a mentality of "I know what's best for you better than you do".

That said, I'd be willing to be that the people saying to rent a truck are the same people saying to rent an ICE for trips.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i would make this arguement...

folks that buy "m" cars are likely more of an enthusiast than someone buying any truck and likely use their cars for their intended purpose "fun, fast driving" more so than the guy that drives to his office job every day in an f150... again, could be wrong but I live in the land of trucks and I see it every day

I live in a rural farming county. I'd say it is 70% pickup truck ownership here. What is the difference between driving an empty 5-seat sedan with an empty trunk to the office vs. an empty pickup truck with and empty bed? Some of you have this notion that because a pickup truck has a pickup bed on it, the bed needs to be full anytime the truck is driven. Sort of a stupid concept. And we call that an "emotional support vehicle" as some sort of off-handed insult? LOL.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

So renting a truck for those couple of times you need it is fine... but renting an ICE car for those couple of times you need to go on cross country road trips... oooh heeeeellll nawww!!!

Truck hate and EV hate (or should I say dislike for certain vehicular platforms? Is that PC enough?) are just different sides of the same coin.

Well, I'd say there is a difference. There was no legislation to support the privately held national fleet of vehicles to eventually be converted to non-pickup trucks. There is a movement within the legislative process to eliminate the internal combustion engine as a source of power for automobiles. Eventually there will be no option to rent an ICEV for long trips.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I sort of agree, and sort of disagree. On the one hand, a truck is theost versatile vehicle you can own, that's why they're so popular. They can do ANYTHING. Family car, haul stuff in the bed, row, go fast, road trips, city trips, they don't all. On the other end, EVa are different where they do kinda one thing. Sure you could road trip them... If you're not in a hurry, but they're really good at commutes within their battery range. So in essence, they're total opposites.

That said, the argument that you don't need a truck cuz you can rent one and that you don't need anything other than an EV cuz you can rent a gas car are the same. It's also the argument for why you don't need a wife cuz you can rent a hooker, or anything that someone else thinks you shouldn't have,, it's a mentality of "I know what's best for you better than you do".

That said, I'd be willing to be that the people saying to rent a truck are the same people saying to rent an ICE for trips.

To be clear. I believe both extremes are stupid (as an ICE car owner, truck owner and EV owner). Buy whatever you want that fits your needs.

That being said I have definitely experienced hate from trucks while driving the Tesla. I have never experienced hate from EVs while driving the truck. Both sides just need to get over it.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, I'd say there is a difference. There was no legislation to support the privately held national fleet of vehicles to eventually be converted to non-pickup trucks. There is a movement within the legislative process to eliminate the internal combustion engine as a source of power for automobiles. Eventually there will be no option to rent an ICEV for long trips.

You're doing it not me.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

You're doing it not me.

I'm not being political, just stating the historical perspective. Whether EV tech gets to the point where replacement of internal combustion is a non factor in the scheme of long distance travel by personal automobile remains to be seen.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I live in a rural farming county. I'd say it is 70% pickup truck ownership here. What is the difference between driving an empty 5-seat sedan with an empty trunk to the office vs. an empty pickup truck with and empty bed? Some of you have this notion that because a pickup truck has a pickup bed on it, the bed needs to be full anytime the truck is driven. Sort of a stupid concept. And we call that an "emotional support vehicle" as some sort of off-handed insult? LOL.

the big difference to me personally would be the 5 seat sedan is likely more comfortable, faster, gets better gas mileage and likely handles better and is far easier to park... which imho is a solid trade off the little use bed space every once in a while... again, some will feel different... but day to day thats not what i see

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the big difference to me personally would be the 5 seat sedan is likely more comfortable, faster, gets better gas mileage and likely handles better and is far easier to park... which imho is a solid trade off the little use bed space every once in a while... again, some will feel different... but day to day thats not what i see

You haven't been in a newer truck I'm guessing. They're faster and more comfortable than most sedans. Gas mileage I'll give you in the cars that don't handle any better than the trucks, but not vs a sport sedan like an M550i. The trade off there is more reliable and more spacious. Easier to park? 50/50, they typically have better visibility so you can see what's going on better, and while yes, they are larger, you get used to just backing the truck up into a spot. I would argue places with slots that don't fit have too small of spots to begin with and I wouldn't want to go there even not in a truck. This coming from a suburbanite, not someone in the big empty rural areas (though I did love those giant parking lots). There are places with crap parking lots we just don't go to because their parking sucks.

I get it, trucks aren't for everyone..neither are EVe, or sports cars, or sedans... That freedom of choice is what makes America great. The hate for trucks is very much a us vs them political thing.eV hate likely too but for different reasons (taxpayers aren't paying for 10% or more of a new expensive truck for people. Plus Teslas are super ugly and offensive to look at because they're so hideous.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

You haven't been in a newer truck I'm guessing. They're faster and more comfortable than most sedans. Gas mileage I'll give you in the cars that don't handle any better than the trucks, but not vs a sport sedan like an M550i. The trade off there is more reliable and more spacious. Easier to park? 50/50, they typically have better visibility so you can see what's going on better, and while yes, they are larger, you get used to just backing the truck up into a spot. I would argue places with slots that don't fit have too small of spots to begin with and I wouldn't want to go there even not in a truck. This coming from a suburbanite, not someone in the big empty rural areas (though I did love those giant parking lots). There are places with crap parking lots we just don't go to because their parking sucks.

I get it, trucks aren't for everyone..neither are EVe, or sports cars, or sedans... That freedom of choice is what makes America great. The hate for trucks is very much a us vs them political thing.eV hate likely too but for different reasons (taxpayers aren't paying for 10% or more of a new expensive truck for people. Plus Teslas are super ugly and offensive to look at because they're so hideous.

That's just simply not true... if you mean more comfortable as in size sure... but in terms of suspension, no way... the body on frame setup makes the car wobble no matter what you do... my friend has a brand new f150 and another has a brand new f350 (granted he uses this one for work)... and yes they are full of features and well finished (they also cost close to $100K)... but when we drove it, it still felt like a truck and there was no changing that. Another friend of mine has a new raptor that doesn't fit it his garage and is loud as hell on the street but arguably he uses it offroad every once in a while so there is that...

if you like trucks, that's fine and there is no problem with that, i even like trucks... but i would argue most people never use their trucks for what they are for and live w the downsides of them... arguably, i would say because it's a lifestyle thing (at least definitely here in the south).

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ASAP

That's just simply not true... if you mean more comfortable as in size sure... but in terms of suspension, no way... the body on frame setup makes the car wobble no matter what you do... my friend has a brand new f150 and another has a brand new f350 (granted he uses this one for work)... and yes they are full of features and well finished (they also cost close to $100K)... but when we drove it, it still felt like a truck and there was no changing that. Another friend of mine has a new raptor that doesn't fit it his garage and is loud as hell on the street but arguably he uses it offroad every once in a while so there is that..

350 is a huge work truck that doesn't ride well when not being worked. Raptors ride like shit because they're bro dozers. But a well equipped F150 without the crazy brodozers stuff rides great. Ram too, it even has 4 corner coil springs or air as an option. Escalades and Navigators are body on frame too, and nobody has ever complained they're wobble and don't ride nicely, lol.

The best riding vehicles I've ever spent a lot of time in are my X5, and then right below that our expedition and my f150. That includes countless rentals, crossovers of friends, sedans, luxury cars... A nicely equipped truck without all the stupid off-road pack stuff just rides great. My f150 was super comfortable, but it had the fx4 package which had soft off-road shocks, and so it leaned on turns and I hated that coming from a Corvette. My next truck with get a ridetech lowered suspension for sure.

[Efthreeoh]

Here, put this in the back of your N54-swapped E91...