[darielsantana]

And it looks better than expected but weights way more than expected. The plug in hybrid will keep me out of it.

[Sleeper]

Frozen Deep Grey on BMWBlog looks deadly - https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/06/25/first-look-2025-bmw-m5-in-frozen-deep-grey/

Totally get the F90 guys not digging this (par for the course), but 99% sure the LCI touring will replace my X5MC.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by Vervain

The Carwow video said that there’s no plans from BMW for a competition version

What??? Is this the new thing to drop the competition package? I noticed the new M2 doesn’t have a comp package either.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by eddiehaug

We'll see. I've owned 3 hybrid BMWs and although it's true that it regens, when the battery is empty, is empty. The regen you get is only for basic stuff like getting the car going at a traffic light.

In a track, where all you do is to accelerate and regen, surely is possible to keep the battery going, I even managef to almost fully recharge the battery once while driving downhill. However, that doesn't meant that you'll be able to drive 300kms and then floor the car and get 700+ HP, unless that BMW is adding some new, clever battery management and some pretty aggressive regen that would allow to do so. If the tech hasn't evolve to those levels, it'll simply won't be possible under normal circumstances, and you'll have a 500+HP car that can, for limited periods of time, give you 700, which is how most hybrid BMWs work.

For what it is worth, Needs and I agree on most things. However, my experience with the XM (base not label) mirrors what you are saying. Full power isn’t always available like it is on a ICE car. Perhaps Porsche has better hybrid power management?

[Mr. Jonathan]

Interior is nice….

[NSX2M4]

How on earth did this companies vehicles become so ugly, so very quickly?
WOOF!!!! That is a LOT to take in.
Why put CF mirrors and a spoiler on it? That would be like adding CF to my Rivian. Pointless!
The front is alright but the rear is atrocious. What a confused looking vehicle.

[BimmerGuyFL78]

BMW you've lost it. CUSTOMERS DO NOT WANT THIS PHEV CRAP IN AN M5.

[Motorwerke_man]

And the transition to SUVCAR is finally complete! Looks tall, boated, and awkward from the rear.

However, I'm sure it will look very aggressive in person, be stupidly fast, and will outsell it's predecessor.

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Where do I begin...

I decided to come out of retirement, albeit briefly, for this one.

I'm not sure there was any right direction or answer for this G90 generation of M5. Given today's technologies, what other manufacturers are making, and the future of the automotive industry; what was this M5 supposed to be? Especially given that the pace of technology is moving so fast.

In today's world we have Tesla Model 3's achieving 2.9s 0-60 times from the factory for under $50,000 USD, we have almost every type of performance car going AWD because cars in general have become so heavy, and most importantly we have world governments dictating emissions and fuel economy standards for all cars, not just the mass market consumer models, but also all performance and sports cars.

I feel the G90 M5 was designed with M Division having one arm tied behind their back. Never mind that battery technology today is still not where it needs to be, but there was one of 5 directions that the G90 M5 could have gone:

1. Fully Electric
2. Performance Hybrid
3. Full ICE
4. Retro
5. Plug In Hybrid

1. Fully Electric: The M5 could have had 1,000+hp but with a range of probably less than 240miles on the US EPA cycle. That wouldn't have worked, especially given how each country has different charging infrastructure, and with the USA still being far behind many other developed countries.

2. Performance Hybrid: The latest 992.2 Porsche 911 being the prime example here, or the Chevy Corvette E-Ray. Electric turbos, small battery, smaller lighter electric motors that supplement the ICE engine instead of try to make up for the ICE engine, all while keeping the weight of the car down, but no all electric range. This wouldn't have worked for BMW because this setup hardly effects CO2 emission cycles.

3. Full ICE: It probably would have been too difficult for this setup to meet new EU emissions standards. And what would have this setup offered that the F90 M5 already didn't?

4. Retro: A la the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. Imagine a G90 M5 that just said screw it and offered a Manual Transmission, a Lighter Chassis than even the F90 M5CS, RWD, maybe even an all new Naturally Aspirated or Turbo Engine that was somehow more fuel efficient than the S63tu4, but at the same time higher revving and more exotic, Hydraulic Steering, maybe some Active Aero. Something that was at the same time more Analog yet more technologically advanced than any M5 before. Something that sung that same song as the E39 M5 but with all the tech we have today in the cockpit. Wouldn't that have been something? But again, EU emissions regulations.

5. Plug In Hybrid: I think the M Division did the best they could with what they had. They were given a chassis that from the very start wasn't designed to be any one thing. It was designed to be 3 things at once, an electric car, an ICE car, and a plug in hybrid car. One area that I am super pleased with, that M did, was to keep the battery pack low in the chassis between the axles, unlike the Panamera E-Hybrid, but this was made easier by the fact that the G60 chassis was already designed for it from the beginning. This Plug in Hybrid is both the worst of all options and the best at the same time. Did anyone else notice how small and tiny the gas tank is on this new G90. 15.9 gallons?? The F10 M5 had a prodigious 21 gallon size tank. I am willing to bet the G90 will have a max range of about 350 miles or less. There are Lucid BEV's with more range than that.

Other things in random order:

- Thank God the G90 comes with some sort of decorative door sills

- Does the G90 M5 have massaging seats? I didn't see any mention of them.

- Will the G90 M5 have an A.S.S. system? Will the engine shut off every time you come to a stop? Didn't see any mention of it.

- Where are the Fender Grilles? Granted the E39 M5 didn't have them either and I understand that the new Plug door for the electrical cable gets in the way on the fender, but Geesus, the G90 M5 just doesn't look right without them. This is a huge turn off for me personally and a big disappointment.

- The interior luxury and aesthetics of the G90 pales in comparison to previous generations. Even a BMW 330i comes with an optional Sensatec Dash that has some nice cross stitching on it. The G90 M5 has no sense of luxurious appointments that differentiate from a base 530i besides the Carbon Fiber trim option. Will there be a Full Leather option? Maybe I'm missing something here. Or if there is a Full Leather option will it be as bad as the F90, where the lower door panels were still made out of plastic. And the F10 M5 had the sexy B&O Sound system where the center speaker rose out of dash every time you started the car. Where's this type of luxury in the G90 M5????

- What happened to the G90 M5's launch color or color options in general? The F10 M5 launched in a bespoke Monte Carlo Blue that was very sexy. The F90 had a few new color options when it launched. The G90? I guess Storm Bay Metallic is the only new color, all the rest have been around a while. Talk about a marketing failure. At least they brought back Marina Bay Blue which in my opinion is one of the best colors BMW ever came out with in its history.

- Soft close doors? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller??

- Stick Shifter Delete. I understand that there was literally no room for one on the center console, but man, talk about killing the engagement factor. Even the 992 911 still kept a some sort of a shifter for the PDK and for the driver. The shift paddles are not enough.

- Side view mirrors. Anyone else notice they are same exact design as on the i5 M60???? Lazy M Division, very lazy. Such a disappointment, almost unforgivable. If I'm spending $120,000 on an M5, I want bespoke M5 side view mirrors. Is that too much to ask for??

- At least they put a little bit of nappa leather on the airbag on the steering wheel. That's what $120,000 gets you over a $60,000 530i. Sheesh!

- Does 4-Zone Climate Control come standard on the G90 M5? You can't even spec that on a regular 5-Series in the USA. You have to do a special factory order for that if you want it.

- Anyone else think the G90 M5 seats look too close to the G80 M3 seats?

- So glad the trunk space in the G90 is not affected by the Hybrid batteries.

- They are obviously leaving room for growth by making the ICE engine output only 585hp.

- I'm not even mad there's no G90 M5 Competition. I always felt the Competition Package or Competition version was just another money grab by BMW for people that wanted the extra badge and whereby 90% of people who owned the Competition never even took the car to the racetrack to really feel the differences.

Overall, I think they did a good job with the design in keeping it subtle enough for 80% of actual "leasees" who will do nothing but drive this car to and from their office. It's tough to say that this G90 M5 will actually perform any better on the track than an F90 M5, and I am interested to see if there will be any Nurburgring times for the G90. This G90 is more tech than luxury, more efficiency than engagement, and more street use than track use. I can't imagine a set of stock steel brake rotors lasting more than 1 day of track use with the kind of weight the G90 is hauling around.

F90 M5CS owners are probably the ones who made out the best with today's news on the G90 M5. Same goes for anybody who owns a 6MT F10 M5.

I would say the only thing that makes the G90 M5 special in today's automotive world, is that at least it's still got a V8 engine. The direct M5 competitors today are either all electric EV's, cars with downsized motors, or cars that are soon going out of production or already have.

Big powerful Sport Sedans with big ICE engines are a dying breed, and the BMW M5 may be the segments last breath. I don't know whether to cheer that the M5 still has a V8 or cry that this car may be the last of its kind. There's a lot of little things that could have made the G90 M5 soooo much better, but in the end I guess we'll just have to settle for that fact that it's all that's left.

I'm glad that I kept my F10 M5 and never got rid of it. To me, it's the last drivers M5 (Purist) with it's hydraulic steering, 52/48 weight distribution, RWD, and optional Manual Transmission (but the DCT is still a fantastic transmission and far more engaging than the ZF Auto), and arguably the best looking.

As a last point, I feel the G90 M5 is the Aston Martin V12 Vantage from yesteryear. It will probably be the last Sports Sedan you can buy with a V8 engine, just like the V12 Vantage was one of the last Naturally Aspirated V12's you could buy with a Manual Transmission. Jeremy Clarkson said it best:

"What it makes me feel though is sad. I just can't help thinking that thanks to all sorts of things; the environment, the economy, problems in the Middle East, the relentless war on speed, cars like this will soon be consigned to the history books. I just have this horrible, dreadful feeling, that what I'm driving here is... an ending."

The 2025 G90 M5 is... an ending.

Fantastic post. The f10 is quite underrated.

Originally Posted by BMWCAT

I totally agree with the last sentiment! We’ve got a Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo. Which we are surprise to find out that it’s about 2-300 lbs lighter.
With similar amount of power. Higher torque, and way less complicated to own in the long run.

Really like what I see with the taycan and even the upcoming electric macan. Porsche is doing it right. Even as far as the styling goes, they’re staying true to themselves.

[soulsea]

I'm sorry if this has been answered already ...

I thought they would be revealing the wagon at the same time ... anyone know when that is supposed to happen?

[CJ421]

I am definitely liking what BMW did here!

I would really like carbon buckets though, like BMW offers on the M8. Not having those would be a problem for me.

Charles

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by soulsea

I'm sorry if this has been answered already ...

I thought they would be revealing the wagon at the same time ... anyone know when that is supposed to happen?

Middle of August I believe (15th?).

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

I hope you are wrong.

I am not, trust me on that. I believe it has even be officially stated by BMW, that the M2 was the last ICE only M model to be released.

[kgelfen360]

Interesting the breaks are again 6 piston front and single piston back. Maybe similar system to G80 but this car is so much heavier.

[Crumbs]

No comp is truly disappointing.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Autoaddict

When the G80 was released, the comments were just as negative as they are for the M5. Especially due to the front design. But, once the G80 was released in the US, people couldn’t run fast enough to get in line for one. Every dealer had a 12 person wait list. Dealers had no idea when they would get allocations. The same thing is going to happen here. This thing will sell and dealers will have long wait lists. And wait till the wagon is released. 80-90% people out there aren’t the hardcore enthusiasts that are on this forum. Heavy or not, it’s going to sell.

Not sure about that. Covid was a major reason for the lack of cars being pumped out. Also, you could finance anything then for .09 percent. This whole car market is cooling so I would be surprised if you going to have major problems getting them. We shall see

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Interesting the breaks are again 6 piston front and single piston back. Maybe similar system to G80 but this car is so much heavier.

yeah surprised they didn't put a beefier setup on this, at least the carbons are a option on it. Looks like the same brakes they have on 3,800lb M cars but this thing is over 5000 lol

[Quadruple VANOS]

I guess all the people who can’t charge their car at home won’t be shopping for a new M5.

[soulsea]

The weird thing about this engine is how much power it puts out. AMG is getting 805hp out of its 4.0 TT E V8, never mind the 296 which gets 830hp out a V6 ... both European companies that have adhere to the same regs. I understand that the latter is a lot more money but my point is that BMW seems to be getting very little out of a bigger motor, which is unfortunate because they could have used it to improve its power to weight ratio.

Looks are subjective, but it's hard (for me at least) to embrace a performance car that is slower, heavier, and sounds worse than its predecessor. If it weren't for the wagon it wouldn't even be on my radar. I loved my 19 M5C with the sports exhaust to bits, but if I'm going to consider the wagon I better forget all about getting a better version of that experience because it appears I will be sorely disappointed.

[///M TOWN]

That charge port door is designed incorrectly. The charger cord is not going backwards unless parked in your garage. You’re going to be pulling in forward to the charger so the charge door is in the way.

That’s an oversight on BMW’s part ‼️

[-EndOfAnEra-]

Lovely post RPiM5, thanks for your insights! I'd like to add a few items to the discussion.

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I feel the G90 M5 was designed with M Division having one arm tied behind their back. Never mind that battery technology today is still not where it needs to be, but there was one of 5 directions that the G90 M5 could have gone:

1. Fully Electric
2. Performance Hybrid
3. Full ICE
4. Retro
5. Plug In Hybrid

1. Fully Electric: The M5 could have had 1,000+hp but with a range of probably less than 240miles on the US EPA cycle. That wouldn't have worked, especially given how each country has different charging infrastructure, and with the USA still being far behind many other developed countries.

Before I was "forced" to drive an i4 e35 for a week, I would have agreed with you.

If the goal of the M5 is to be the fastest, most engaging do-it-all car available at any price, there is no reason it couldn't have been a BEV. With the insane weight it is pushing, you wouldn't have added too much more, and the lower center of gravity would make it handle even more like a supercar.

Range anxiety is a factor for long trips but not regular driving if you can charge at home. If you can afford an M5, you can afford a home charging setup.

An EV has incredible opportunities for engagement owing to handling performance and the one-pedal drive dance. Making this M5 a combination of an excellent V8 and a weak battery/motor is not doing it any favors. Dropping the stick lever while keeping the V8 is inexcusable and shows IMHO that this is a luxury toy, not a driver's performance sedan.

The real reason they didn't though? Neue Klasse M is coming on a new bespoke platform. The thunder would have been stolen.

2. Performance Hybrid: The latest 992.2 Porsche 911 being the prime example here, or the Chevy Corvette E-Ray. Electric turbos, small battery, smaller lighter electric motors that supplement the ICE engine instead of try to make up for the ICE engine, all while keeping the weight of the car down, but no all electric range. This wouldn't have worked for BMW because this setup hardly effects CO2 emission cycles.

I think this would have been better, as it still focuses the use of the EV motors towards performance. You would gain the instant torque and incredible boost from the motors and be able to design the car as a typical ICE otherwise. This would have let it be similar in weight to the F90 and much more powerful. A much better bridge between ICE and EV. Essentially like the difference between the N/A E60 M5 and the then new turbo F10 M5.

3. Full ICE: It probably would have been too difficult for this setup to meet new EU emissions standards. And what would have this setup offered that the F90 M5 already didn't?

Yes, I agree that full ICE was all but perfected in the F90. There's no more room to improve there, unless BMW gave us back a stickshift and hydraulic steering...

4. Retro: A la the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. Imagine a G90 M5 that just said screw it and offered a Manual Transmission, a Lighter Chassis than even the F90 M5CS, RWD, maybe even an all new Naturally Aspirated or Turbo Engine that was somehow more fuel efficient than the S63tu4, but at the same time higher revving and more exotic, Hydraulic Steering, maybe some Active Aero. Something that was at the same time more Analog yet more technologically advanced than any M5 before. Something that sung that same song as the E39 M5 but with all the tech we have today in the cockpit. Wouldn't that have been something? But again, EU emissions regulations.

Oh how I'd love an M5 that acknowledged the true history of BMW ///M! But even I am not daft enough to believe there are enough dreamers left there to pull that off. It would be either the greatest sales coup they ever pulled off or a dismal failure and the beancounters would never allow it. The spirit to make that happen left with Albert Biermann.

I would say though, if you combined THAT with what they did...

5. Plug In Hybrid: I think the M Division did the best they could with what they had. They were given a chassis that from the very start wasn't designed to be any one thing. It was designed to be 3 things at once, an electric car, an ICE car, and a plug in hybrid car. One area that I am super pleased with, that M did, was to keep the battery pack low in the chassis between the axles, unlike the Panamera E-Hybrid, but this was made easier by the fact that the G60 chassis was already designed for it from the beginning. This Plug in Hybrid is both the worst of all options and the best at the same time. Did anyone else notice how small and tiny the gas tank is on this new G90. 15.9 gallons?? The F10 M5 had a prodigious 21 gallon size tank. I am willing to bet the G90 will have a max range of about 350 miles or less. There are Lucid BEV's with more range than that.

...I would have a lot nicer things to say. Imagine an E39 M5 styled car with a PHEV to gain the advantages of modern drivetrains, electric steering and retro-style dials. It would be a great bridge between "old-fashioned" ICE and the EV future.

As it stands, it's a top trim that doesn't even match its predecessor's abilities let alone its closest sibling. Save the all important V8 which is literally the only thing that maintains its relevance here, and not for much longer.

To paraphrase one last thing from Top Gear, "what's the problem with the M5? The i5 M60!"

The i5 M60 also has a 3.3 0-60, according to Car and Driver.])
Power is less but performance may not be. We'll have to see what magic BMW ///M GmbH did with the handling.

Ever since I was smitten with the E39 M5, I have truly loved the CONCEPT of the M5 from day one. BMW has broken my heart here. The M5 should be a car that can do anything and everything you ask of it, and beg you to give it more. A car that never stops reminding you that it loves to be driven and it loves to drive. The epitome of both driving pleasure and practicality.

BMW seems to have forgotten what "The Ultimate Driving Machine" really means.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Not sure about that. Covid was a major reason for the lack of cars being pumped out. Also, you could finance anything then for .09 percent. This whole car market is cooling so I would be surprised if you going to have major problems getting them. We shall see

Exactly. Some dont remember when they were discounting them at the beginning then BMW stopped producing them and the sheep were willing to pay full price or more for the ones available/incoming.