[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

sure... so then how do you regulate the driving portion? i am under the impression CA, CO and WA have not yet figured this out... it would be like driving under heavy prescriptions... not sure how you could legalize anything without figuring that out.

It would be interesting to see statistics of states that have legalized marijuana, and then how that impacted the number of DUI's, traffic accidents where impairment was a cause, fatal accidents where impairment was involved, etc.

[vbb]

Originally Posted by ASAP

sure... so then how do you regulate the driving portion? i am under the impression CA, CO and WA have not yet figured this out... it would be like driving under heavy prescriptions... not sure how you could legalize anything without figuring that out.

I am virtually certain it is a crime to drive under the influence in every state, whether that is the influence of alcohol, opiates, narcotics, weed, Rx drugs or other. Obviously the testing and studies have mostly been centered around the effects of driving under the influence of alcohol, but there are experts out there that can describe impairment from all sorts of drugs, including marijuana.

I am also pretty certain that, just like with alcohol, there are tens of thousands of people driving every day under the influence of edibles and they just don't get caught.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

It would be interesting to see statistics of states that have legalized marijuana, and then how that impacted the number of DUI's, traffic accidents where impairment was a cause, fatal accidents where impairment was involved, etc.

Originally Posted by vbb

I am virtually certain it is a crime to drive under the influence in every state, whether that is the influence of alcohol, opiates, narcotics, weed, Rx drugs or other. Obviously the testing and studies have mostly been centered around the effects of driving under the influence of alcohol, but there are experts out there that can describe impairment from all sorts of drugs, including marijuana.

I am also pretty certain that, just like with alcohol, there are tens of thousands of people driving every day under the influence of edibles and they just don't get caught.

From my basic understanding it comes back to the discretion of the officer... if he feels you are impaired, he can ask you to submit a blood test, saliva test to be tested at a lab or urine test...

Not sure how this works in the real world (especially since its not immediate like a breathalyzer)... i can already see discrimination being cited in these type of cases...

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by ASAP

From my basic understanding it comes back to the discretion of the officer... if he feels you are impaired, he can ask you to submit a blood test, saliva test to be tested at a lab or urine test...

Not sure how this works in the real world (especially since its not immediate like a breathalyzer)... i can already see discrimination being cited in these type of cases...

More info than you asked for https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/r.../index-en.aspx

It's Canadian but likely a lot of practices and procedures are pulled from your state to state laws. We legalized at the end of 2018.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

BMW drivers do actually use their turn signals contrary to popular belief

Only when they have properly refilled their blinker fluid

[vbb]

Originally Posted by ASAP

From my basic understanding it comes back to the discretion of the officer... if he feels you are impaired, he can ask you to submit a blood test, saliva test to be tested at a lab or urine test...

Not sure how this works in the real world (especially since its not immediate like a breathalyzer)... i can already see discrimination being cited in these type of cases...

Could be a long answer, but the short of it is that yes, if the officer has reason to inspect impairment they can seek a blood draw to test for substances. It is harder without the smell of alcohol or marijuana to help them form their suspicions, but it is possible. The reality is that a person would probably have to be completely stoned before an officer would suspect something if there was no smell or wrappers or anything giving a clue the person is on edibles. It'd be nice if people would just get high at home and not drive anywhere.

[CamasM3e93]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

It would be interesting to see statistics of states that have legalized marijuana, and then how that impacted the number of DUI's, traffic accidents where impairment was a cause, fatal accidents where impairment was involved, etc.

Washington State with mj legalization for a few years now: increase in traffic accidents and traffic fatalities, predating covid. My memory is the increase in fatalities and accidents was greater than states without legalization.

Visibly impaired driving plus substance on testing = dui here

Driving infraction and admitting to being on certain medications under questioning or admitting to coming from a bar etc may add a dui charge on top of that ticket for running a stoplight.

[wtwo3]

With a few exceptions, most Thanksgiving food sucks.

[tranquility]

We are all the same, no matter what our 'leaders' tell us, who to hate in Country X, etc, we are all the same ppl and should have love for everyone.

[JMcLellan]

Companies price-gouged (and are still price-gouging) using "supply chain issues" and "inflation" as part of their narrative for raised prices. Spinning a story of increased operating costs that weren't actually as high as portrayed. But, the average consumer kept buying things demonstrating high demand for goods and services enabling these companies to price-gouge.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Companies price-gouged (and are still price-gouging) using "supply chain issues" and "inflation" as part of their narrative for raised prices. Spinning a story of increased operating costs that weren't actually as high as portrayed. But, the average consumer kept buying things demonstrating high demand for goods and services enabling these companies to price-gouge.

I would say both yes and no. Yes companies are absolutely embellishing in the senseless demand to justify price gouging, but also supply chain issues are very much present and in many cases debilitating. So it's a perfect storm of decreased supply and strong demand, and the market is simply responding. I work in supply chain at a large manufacturing company so I see first hand the impact that we're experiencing on the supply side.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Companies price-gouged (and are still price-gouging) using "supply chain issues" and "inflation" as part of their narrative for raised prices. Spinning a story of increased operating costs that weren't actually as high as portrayed. But, the average consumer kept buying things demonstrating high demand for goods and services enabling these companies to price-gouge.

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I would say both yes and no. Yes companies are absolutely embellishing in the senseless demand to justify price gouging, but also supply chain issues are very much present and in many cases debilitating. So it's a perfect storm of decreased supply and strong demand, and the market is simply responding. I work in supply chain at a large manufacturing company so I see first hand the impact that we're experiencing on the supply side.

Maybe so, maybe no... but a 20% in Raw Material cost increases rarely would ever necessitate more than a 5% PI but here we are at YoY 7%+ increases... and that's only what's being reported because I see some products at 25%... the answer why? because we can... there is a TON of price gouging going on right now

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I would say both yes and no. Yes companies are absolutely embellishing in the senseless demand to justify price gouging, but also supply chain issues are very much present and in many cases debilitating. So it's a perfect storm of decreased supply and strong demand, and the market is simply responding. I work in supply chain at a large manufacturing company so I see first hand the impact that we're experiencing on the supply side.

Do supply chain issues justify the $8.50 US dollars I paid for 18 eggs at the grocery store this week? That is one example of many things I am paying way too much for. I agree that for some products the supply chain issues have been game-changing and in order to ensure some products continue to exist/flow everyone has to pay more. I'm just pissed that companies blanketly used that narrative to raise prices. Wishing that for things truly impacted by supply chain issues, sure go ahead and charge way more, but for things that were not impacted don't eff consumers. Additionally, for publicly traded companies their shareholders and executives celebrating getting huge dividends and bonus payouts as a result of increased profits doesn't seem right.

I work in manufacturing and have seen first hand supply chain issues completely change how we operate. Mainly the microchip shortage has been really tough to manage so I know it is real.

[Gritty]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Do supply chain issues justify the $8.50 US dollars I paid for 18 eggs at the grocery store this week? That is one example of many things I am paying way too much for. I agree that for some products the supply chain issues have been game-changing and in order to ensure some products continue to exist/flow everyone has to pay more. I'm just pissed that companies blanketly used that narrative to raise prices. Wishing that for things truly impacted by supply chain issues, sure go ahead and charge way more, but for things that were not impacted don't eff consumers. Additionally, for publicly traded companies their shareholders and executives celebrating getting huge dividends and bonus payouts as a result of increased profits doesn't seem right.

I work in manufacturing and have seen first hand supply chain issues completely change how we operate. Mainly the microchip shortage has been really tough to manage so I know it is real.

It's a winning strategy, make less and charge more.
BMW had record profits and at the same time produced less vehicles. CEO came out and said we'll follow that model moving forward even without supply constraints.
I'm not sure if this strategy will work for ever but companies will try to ride the wave as long as folks are willing to pay more.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Do supply chain issues justify the $8.50 US dollars I paid for 18 eggs at the grocery store this week?

I have never had any issue getting all the 50lb bags of feed I need locally, and the price of the bags hasn't increased more than a few dimes in the past 3 years. The only justification for the price increase is transportation of said eggs.

Since it's gotten dark, the hens don't lay as many/consistently. Wife went to pick up a 24-pack at the store and didn't even look. I put them back at $22+ Farmers' market isn't even that high.

[tranquility]

Ya, I always thought that this inflation concept was by-and-large a scam. Ppl always retort that it's due to economic forces but just look at some shady (but clever?) ppl hoarding and selling TP/santizers/etc during the past 2+ years of that 'thing', they got shamed and shut down. In contrast, at the corporate level, if everyone agreed that there's a crisis going on and to keep prices as-is, who the hell started the fire and raises prices outta nowhere? Nobody did anything. This devious way of thinking applies many places, those stupid 'too big to fail' companies get bailed out no prb but they let individuals lose their shirts, RE buyers get left holding the bag while developers are allowed to raise prices even after the contract's signed. Etc etc etc. It's always the bigger guy ripping off the smaller ones when one really looks into what's actually happening.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Ya, I always thought that this inflation concept was by-and-large a scam. Ppl always retort that it's due to economic forces but just look at some shady (but clever?) ppl hoarding and selling TP/santizers/etc during the past 2+ years of that 'thing', they got shamed and shut down. In contrast, at the corporate level, if everyone agreed that there's a crisis going on and to keep prices as-is, who the hell started the fire and raises prices outta nowhere? Nobody did anything. This devious way of thinking applies many places, those stupid 'too big to fail' companies get bailed out no prb but they let individuals lose their shirts, RE buyers get left holding the bag while developers are allowed to raise prices even after the contract's signed. Etc etc etc. It's always the bigger guy ripping off the smaller ones when one really looks into what's actually happening.

I think that's a good point... everyone says raw material costs went up but there is a first guy that has to create this price increase for it to follow down the line-

Say tesla raising prices for example has to come from cost of batteries rising which has to come from battery supplier which has to come from raw material extraction... so who along the line really raised the cost of the goods to hit the consumer? Unless the above happened in every industry, I want to know how much did demand have to rise for all of this to happen over the past 2 years... the answer is that for the most part it didn't and HAS to be artificial.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Maybe so, maybe no... but a 20% in Raw Material cost increases rarely would ever necessitate more than a 5% PI but here we are at YoY 7%+ increases... and that's only what's being reported because I see some products at 25%... the answer why? because we can... there is a TON of price gouging going on right now

Right, but that's why I'm saying it's a perfect storm from both sides. Yes price gouging is happening, but also supply chain issues are very much a real thing.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Right, but that's why I'm saying it's a perfect storm from both sides. Yes price gouging is happening, but also supply chain issues are very much a real thing.

yes but it's massively exxagerated on the pricing end... i may know a thing or two about finance ...

Raw material costs are typically your lowest cost even in a manufacturing company... compared to your direct labor and general overhead costs which are typically MUCH higher.

Even if 30-40% of your total COGS is tied to raw material and you get hit with a 20% price increase, the necessary PI to offset that is much much lower than 20% to retain your margin unless you are running on some insanely low margins... and if you are in any SaaS business or general service industry i.e. travel, hospitaly etc (outside of running a restaurant), then your raw material goes down even further and yet everyone is gouging lol.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Do supply chain issues justify the $8.50 US dollars I paid for 18 eggs at the grocery store this week? That is one example of many things I am paying way too much for. I agree that for some products the supply chain issues have been game-changing and in order to ensure some products continue to exist/flow everyone has to pay more. I'm just pissed that companies blanketly used that narrative to raise prices. Wishing that for things truly impacted by supply chain issues, sure go ahead and charge way more, but for things that were not impacted don't eff consumers. Additionally, for publicly traded companies their shareholders and executives celebrating getting huge dividends and bonus payouts as a result of increased profits doesn't seem right.

I work in manufacturing and have seen first hand supply chain issues completely change how we operate. Mainly the microchip shortage has been really tough to manage so I know it is real.

The issue is it's not simply one thing. Economic events triggered multiple factors which were already on the brink. In the case of eggs, it may not be the supply of eggs that's driving the price up, rather the cost of transportation is increasing - why is the cost of transportation increasing? well that's a combination of things like gas prices, and a snowball effect of truck driver shortages. Why are truck driver shortages happening? This has been a trend we've been following for many years now - lack of new employees as it's not seen as a desirable profession, very low life expectancy (truck driver life expectancy is in the 50 year range due to lifestyle), etc. Many of these problems existed previously, however it's usually the straw to break the camel's back which triggers a domino effect of issues coming to light.

Everything we see now is a response. These things aren't predetermined.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

yes but it's massively exxagerated on the pricing end... i may know a thing or two about finance ...

Raw material costs are typically your lowest cost even in a manufacturing company... compared to your direct labor and general overhead costs which are typically MUCH higher.

Even if 30-40% of your total COGS is tied to raw material and you get hit with a 20% price increase, the necessary PI to offset that is much much lower than 20% to retain your margin unless you are running on some insanely low margins... and if you are in any SaaS business or general service industry i.e. travel, hospitaly etc (outside of running a restaurant), then your raw material goes down even further and yet everyone is gouging lol.

I don't think I mentioned anything about raw material costs. What I'm trying to say is there's a combination of issues which are driving some of this. When we say supply chain it's not only raw materials or only finished goods manufacturing - it's literally the entire end to end supply chain including things like transportation costs, distribution costs, labor, etc. Raw material sourcing is only a fraction of that.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I don't think I mentioned anything about raw material costs. What I'm trying to say is there's a combination of issues which are driving some of this. When we say supply chain it's not only raw materials or only finished goods manufacturing - it's literally the entire end to end supply chain including things like transportation costs, distribution costs, labor, etc. Raw material sourcing is only a fraction of that.

Right but transportation / distro costs have dropped like a bomb over the past 6 months to pre covid levels... US trucking costs and international shipments costs have plunged. Labor / general wage increases haven't been seen as expected especially at the lowest level of the payroll. Are we now going to reverse those costs? We won't because it's somewhat a scam.