[masd79]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

What a golden thought. Enlighten us poor peasants with more of those Naturally one has to like everything that it cannot afford 🤣🤣🤣

Not about being poor or affordability, some people just can’t spend all the money on cars and only start loving it after it’s shed some of its value… it’s syndrome I have seen over and over again.

[beaups]

Originally Posted by masd79

Not about being poor or affordability, some people just can’t spend all the money on cars and only start loving it after it’s shed some of its value… it’s syndrome I have seen over and over again.

Then there’s those of us that can afford the car in a different color for every day of the week and still think it sucks.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by beaups

Then there’s those of us that can afford the car in a different color for every day of the week and still think it sucks.

Great then explain to me why people are spending a lot of their time on this forum to tell us it sucks and to try to convince us it does while not even driving the car lol
If you think this car sucks good for you then move on and go buy another car simple as that
If I hate tesla model s i will not go to the model s forum and say to everyone that your car sucks and keep complaining about it the whole day right?!
What is the point?!lol
This forum supposed to be helpful for people who own one or planning to buy one and they need more info and to share pic and mods and....
But if someone already know that this car sucks so why are you here my friend just move on and go buy another car

[masd79]

Originally Posted by beaups

Then there’s those of us that can afford the car in a different color for every day of the week and still think it sucks.

Having the money for seven and still not buying one to try it?

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by masd79

Having the money for seven and still not buying one to try it?

Well once they’ll be available on Turo you can rent it out and check it out for yourself for a day or two or three Some don’t like it for other reasons that don’t require driving it to have an opinion. Everyone can do with its free time whatever they wish. Some are spending it trolling and some want to have genuine discussion. At this point I think that everything has been said. Maybe I am mistaken but I have a feeling that this is not going to be most loved M5 in BMW”s history and because of its complicated drivetrain it has slim chance to become significant in M division.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

Well once they’ll be available on Turo you can rent it out and check it out for yourself for a day or two or three Some don’t like it for other reason ma that don’t require driving it to have an opinion. Everyone can do with its free time whatever they wish. Some are spending it trolling and some want to have genuine discussion. At this point I think that everything has been said. Maybe I am mistaken but I have a feeling that this is not going to be most loved M5 in BMW”s history and because of its complicated drivetrain it has slim chance to become significant in M division.

I 100% agree people can do and say whatever they want no one said they can not
But the question is why?! Lol will end it here

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

I 100% agree people can do and say whatever they want no one said they can not
But the question is why?! Lol will end it here

Maybe because forums are for discussion and not only sharing opinions that are alike ? There’s subtle difference between saying
Your car sucks or this color combination is awefull and rather expressing own opinion containing legible argumentation ? If I own the car I wouldn’t give a flying fuck about what others think about it. I don’t need strangers on the internet to confirm my life choices are best

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

Maybe because forums are for discussion and not only sharing opinions that are alike ?there’s difference between saying
Your car sucks or this color combination is awefull and rather expressing own opinion containing legible argumentation ? If I own the car I wouldn’t give a flying fuck about what others think about it. I don’t need strangers on the internet to confirm my life choices are best

Hehe looks like you did not understand the question? Or maybe you do.....

[msej449]

One of the reviewer’s comment I found interesting was around the real benefit of an electric drivetrain for the first 0-30mph or so of acceleration or boost if already moving. I took away that the electric power was of genuine, practical value to the ‘M’ experience - along the lines of those people wanting the ‘genuine’ M experience having to accept that this was an enhancement.

If that’s what he really thought, then doesn’t it beg the question ‘Why stop at 30mph?’ I mean, why not ditch the petrol engine, gearbox and hybrid complexities and just go for an all-electric M5?

I’ve got an M235i and a small EV and now, when I get into the BMW I have to say I really do miss that immediate power draw that I get in my EV. And that’s a fairly ordinary small hatchback. And I’ve always viewed any 5 Series ‘M’ from the perspective of having owned a Lots Elise and late 90s 3 Series - that above a certain weight and body size, you’re not really talking about a sports car as such, however clever the underlying engineering is. Basically, any modern 5 is so heavy and big anyway, that you’ve already compromised on ‘pure’ sportiness so much that ditching the petrol engine altogether for an electric power train is an improvement.

Unless perhaps your definition of ‘M’ is mainly to do with noise. And the mastery of gear changes. Which I can relate to. But isn’t a 5 Series with an auto box already a massive compromise in these respects, compared to, say, an M2?

[masd79]

Originally Posted by msej449

One of the reviewer’s comment I found interesting was around the real benefit of an electric drivetrain for the first 0-30mph or so of acceleration or boost if already moving. I took away that the electric power was of genuine, practical value to the ‘M’ experience - along the lines of those people wanting the ‘genuine’ M experience having to accept that this was an enhancement.

If that’s what he really thought, then doesn’t it beg the question ‘Why stop at 30mph?’ I mean, why not ditch the petrol engine, gearbox and hybrid complexities and just go for an all-electric M5?

I’ve got an M235i and a small EV and now, when I get into the BMW I have to say I really do miss that immediate power draw that I get in my EV. And that’s a fairly ordinary small hatchback. And I’ve always viewed any 5 Series ‘M’ from the perspective of having owned a Lots Elise and late 90s 3 Series - that above a certain weight and body size, you’re not really talking about a sports car as such, however clever the underlying engineering is. Basically, any modern 5 is so heavy and big anyway, that you’ve already compromised on ‘pure’ sportiness so much that ditching the petrol engine altogether for an electric power train is an improvement.

Unless perhaps your definition of ‘M’ is mainly to do with noise. And the mastery of gear changes. Which I can relate to. But isn’t a 5 Series with an auto box already a massive compromise in these respects, compared to, say, an M2?

Exactly and I would recommend all the non m5 owning complainers to instead go buy a g87 m2. It’s the purest most sportiest car bmw m has. I even argue its bmws gt4.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by masd79

Exactly and I would recommend all the non m5 owning complainers to instead go buy a g87 m2. It’s the purest most sportiest car bmw m has. I even argue its bmws gt4.

Your logic implies Harris has no say here as well I don’t have to spend money to realize I’ve made mistake let’s wait and see how many will be out there after a year or so. Just so let you know he owns E60 M5 wagon with 6speed manual swapped. I wonder why he did that.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove all other generations of M5's. Some just briefly, others more extensively.

A friend owns an F90 and I drove that around a few times. I got the chance to drive the M8 Comp Coupe and (separately) an 850ix Vert, all over Europe, mountain passes, Autobahn and everything in between. They were fine cars for those particular trips, but I'd never consider owning one. Too big, too heavy, so not me. Plenty to like, nothing to love.

So now BMW comes out with a new car that's even bigger in size, heavier, more powerful, and with a styling I don't personally love. Exactly why should I be eager to drive it? I'm not talking shit about your car, as you so ungraciously put it - I'm simply expressing my opinion on a public forum. And you're still overreacting .

TBH I'm looking at Lucid for the next family car (hopefully it survives another year).

The first 3 paragraphs were completely understandable and fair enought but then the last paragraph?
If you believe M5/M8/M850 are big and heavy then how you want to get a bigger /heavier EV ?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

yep, heavy. I dunno what world we're living in where ~4,500 lb isn't heavy, the F90 is right around there and people are in here talking like it's some scalpel track weapon and the G90 is a bloated disgrace. Not really that big a deal once you're in that weight range imo, heavy is heavy. At least these are sedans so the cog is low vs a SUV at similar weight.

5400 vs 4400 is about 23% increase!
Not a big deal?
G8x Competion with Automatic Transmission and xDrive weighs about 4000 lb which is about 10% heavier than F8x with Manual Transmission without xDrive ( 3615 lb) and people are still complaining…☺️

[MacOSR]

I've been a dedicated BMW enthusiast for nearly two decades now, with a collection that includes several M cars like the M5, M8, M3, and X5M, along with some non-M models like the M550 for my wife. My journey with BMW started with the E60 M5, attracted by its bespoke nature and the thrilling V10 engine tied to Formula 1 technology. Despite its quirks, like the SMG transmission, it was a unique driving experience.

Now, with the introduction of the G90 M5, I find myself at a crossroads. The new M5 hybrid model seems to have lost some of the purity I've admired in previous M cars. While it excels in hybrid technology, combining both ICE and EV capabilities, it feels like it's neither here nor there - not fully committing to the excellence of either powertrain type.

I've decided to keep my ICE vehicles, including an F90 M5 and an M8 convertible, for their traditional M car feel, and I'm transitioning some of my fleet to pure EVs. This approach gives me the flexibility to enjoy different driving experiences. However, if I were limited to one car, I'd probably opt for the F90 M5 if I wanted a new hybrid, considering it still embodies the spirit of an M car more closely than other options.

It's interesting to see how BMW is navigating this transition to electrification. My last two vehicle purchases have actually been from other brands, as I've felt BMW's current offerings, particularly the hybrids, don't quite capture the essence of what made their M cars special to me.

I'm curious to hear from the community here:

• Are you also splitting your garage between ICE and EV, especially focusing on M cars?
• How do you feel about the complexity and performance of the new hybrid M5s?
• Would you consider the G90 M5 as your daily driver or do you see it more as a compromise?

Looking forward to your thoughts!

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by masd79

Having the money for seven and still not buying one to try it?

I wanted to experience it, rented it in Germany for several days, it cost a fortune, but definitely worth it.

I guess many will do the same.

[Cannondale900]

Originally Posted by MacOSR

I'm curious to hear from the community here:

• Are you also splitting your garage between ICE and EV, especially focusing on M cars?
• How do you feel about the complexity and performance of the new hybrid M5s?
• Would you consider the G90 M5 as your daily driver or do you see it more as a compromise?

Looking forward to your thoughts!

This should get moved to a separate thread.

Garage is getting split between ICE and PHEV; however, wife's next car will likely be full EV. There is no specific focus on M cars......I've only ever purchased the M cars that I find particularly interesting (currently E34 M5, F87 M2C 6spd, and soon G99 M5T).

Complexity doesn't bother me until it comes time to pay for repairs. Strongly considering warranties in the case of PHEV as there is an increased chance of costly failures.

I'm moving ahead with G99 order (and sale of my C8 RS6) mainly due to the fact that I expect it to be a better daily than the RS6. I've grown tired of being at the gas station so much. In comfort mode the RS6 is pretty reasonable on gas but as soon as you put it in RS2 mode the gas mileage drops through the floor......I'm talking even short bursts of it during a commute home from work, etc.

I have the E34 M5 and M2C for fun along with a continuation 427 Shelby cobra (CSX4050). I don't need another car to tick those boxes and I'm not looking for the G99 to do so.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by MacOSR

I've been a dedicated BMW enthusiast for nearly two decades now, with a collection that includes several M cars like the M5, M8, M3, and X5M, along with some non-M models like the M550 for my wife. My journey with BMW started with the E60 M5, attracted by its bespoke nature and the thrilling V10 engine tied to Formula 1 technology. Despite its quirks, like the SMG transmission, it was a unique driving experience.

Now, with the introduction of the G90 M5, I find myself at a crossroads. The new M5 hybrid model seems to have lost some of the purity I've admired in previous M cars. While it excels in hybrid technology, combining both ICE and EV capabilities, it feels like it's neither here nor there - not fully committing to the excellence of either powertrain type.

I've decided to keep my ICE vehicles, including an F90 M5 and an M8 convertible, for their traditional M car feel, and I'm transitioning some of my fleet to pure EVs. This approach gives me the flexibility to enjoy different driving experiences. However, if I were limited to one car, I'd probably opt for the F90 M5 if I wanted a new hybrid, considering it still embodies the spirit of an M car more closely than other options.

It's interesting to see how BMW is navigating this transition to electrification. My last two vehicle purchases have actually been from other brands, as I've felt BMW's current offerings, particularly the hybrids, don't quite capture the essence of what made their M cars special to me.

I'm curious to hear from the community here:

[B][LIST][*]Are you also splitting your [...]

Great post and Like yourself, I have been heavily invested into the car culture of BMW specifically, the M brand for close to 2 decades my journey started before yours with the E39 6 speed and like you, I struggle with the concept of electrification and the drawbacks which are increased weight which leads to lack of handling and takes away from the M5 being the ultimate driving machine and what was the best sedan on the planet.

BMWs especially the M brand have to be track performance on street legal platforms. Thats the brand. The best of the best.

Sure, next year they will release a Comp version that wil have amazing numbers that create social media content but so what, no tuning, springs or engine mounts will help the car handle the girth. Taller, Bigger and vastly heavier than any previous generation. And lack styling that makes it unique. Its too heavy to be an exceptionally great street and track car. The G90 is the first M5 that stands for Mediocre. And its unfortunate given the tradition.

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by MacOSR

I've been a dedicated BMW enthusiast for nearly two decades now, with a collection that includes several M cars like the M5, M8, M3, and X5M, along with some non-M models like the M550 for my wife. My journey with BMW started with the E60 M5, attracted by its bespoke nature and the thrilling V10 engine tied to Formula 1 technology. Despite its quirks, like the SMG transmission, it was a unique driving experience.

Now, with the introduction of the G90 M5, I find myself at a crossroads. The new M5 hybrid model seems to have lost some of the purity I've admired in previous M cars. While it excels in hybrid technology, combining both ICE and EV capabilities, it feels like it's neither here nor there - not fully committing to the excellence of either powertrain type.

I've decided to keep my ICE vehicles, including an F90 M5 and an M8 convertible, for their traditional M car feel, and I'm transitioning some of my fleet to pure EVs. This approach gives me the flexibility to enjoy different driving experiences. However, if I were limited to one car, I'd probably opt for the F90 M5 if I wanted a new hybrid, considering it still embodies the spirit of an M car more closely than other options.

It's interesting to see how BMW is navigating this transition to electrification. My last two vehicle purchases have actually been from other brands, as I've felt BMW's current offerings, particularly the hybrids, don't quite capture the essence of what made their M cars special to me.

I'm curious to hear from the community here:

• Are you also splitting your garage between ICE and EV, especially focusing on M cars?
• How do you feel about the complexity and performance of the new hybrid M5s?
• Would you consider the G90 M5 as your daily driver or do you see it more as a compromise?

Looking forward to your thoughts!

I'm the opposite. I'm new to BMW as of a couple of years ago don't care about the heritage of the brand. I simply enjoy being in one; BMW makes pretty cool cars for pretty fair prices.

No EVs for me yet, but have PHEVs and ICE cars; like them both and don't compare them to one another too much.

I've never driven an M2, but will soon. The other M cars I've driven are all compromise cars, and I expect them to be.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

5400 vs 4400 is about 23% increase!
Not a big deal?
G8x Competion with Automatic Transmission and xDrive weighs about 4000 lb which is about 10% heavier than F8x with Manual Transmission without xDrive ( 3615 lb) and people are still complaining…☺️

most of the 23% increase is laid flat in the bottom of the chassis and 4,400 is already a heavy car, so not really a concern for me + I'm getting value from it (30mi EV range and torque fill).

[MacOSR]

Originally Posted by FloridaM5

I'm the opposite. I'm new to BMW as of a couple of years ago don't care about the heritage of the brand. I simply enjoy being in one; BMW makes pretty cool cars for pretty fair prices.

No EVs for me yet, but have PHEVs and ICE cars; like them both and don't compare them to one another too much.

I've never driven an M2, but will soon. The other M cars I've driven are all compromise cars, and I expect them to be.

Interesting. I am also considering an M2 to have more of a drivers car.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

most of the 23% increase is laid flat in the bottom of the chassis and 4,400 is already a heavy car, so not really a concern for me + I'm getting value from it (30mi EV range and torque fill).

Well if you are happy with extra 1000 lb for extra 30 miles no matter where that 1000 lb is located ( and cannot be hidden) then I dont have any thing to say…
But I just do a math:
4400 lb for 300 miles ( this is average F90 people can get) is equal to 0.068 mile / lb
5400 lb for 330 miles ( just a pick number) is equal to 0.061 mile / lb…
Well overall the mike /lb is worth in G90 but 23% weight inclrease is cost of 10% better mpg
And this is best case. I didn’t even add friction of heavier car to the math

But physics is physics and cannot be ignored. Adding 1000 lb to the chassis will definitely help better stability and that’s why Tesla M3P can keep up with M3 on track.

Anyway all good discussions with you sir!