[kyriian]

Originally Posted by NSXR

80K on any vehicle with any set of tires is impossibly rare.

To be fair, highway spec tires on tirerack for trucks does show a few reviews that does get beyond the 80k mile marker (looked at the Continental terrain contact AT)But those tires are also specific for highway driving and typically aren’t designed for any other purpose like cornering

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

This tells me you have no freaking idea how much a Model S or 3 weighs.

And I can't find a modern/current F-250 less than 6700lbs or so.

Have you checked yourself for drugs?

I do agree big trucks are the new "7 series iL" for people.

F250 was a typo, should have said 150, hence calling out the Powerboost hybrid motor. 250s are huge with heavy duty frames designed to tow absurdly high loads. To be honest, unless you routinely tow >10k pounds, a 150 is all you'd want because the 250s kinda suck to drive without a couple thousand pounds on their hitch

Teslas aren't the only EVs. Just because they're made of nothing and are fairly light doesn't mean that's repetitive of the market as a whole. Charger EV, 5800lbs. Rivian R1T 7100lbs. VW ID4 4400-5000lbs. BMW iX up to 5800lbs. Silverado EV is up to 9100lbs. Hummer EV 96000lbs. Kia EV7 5800lbs.

These things weigh a crapload. The heaviest weight I can find for an Expedition Max is 5800lbs. Mine is a standard length and was 54xx on the scales at the dump loaded with half a tank of gas, car seats, all our other crap, and my little utility trailer full of palm fronds.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by kyriian

To be fair, highway spec tires on tirerack for trucks does show a few reviews that does get beyond the 80k mile marker (looked at the Continental terrain contact AT)But those tires are also specific for highway driving and typically aren’t designed for any other purpose like cornering

To be fair, that's really all you need in a daily driver truck though. There's no reason out put anything more aggressive than that on a 2.7T F150 you just use as a daily driver and for home Depot runs.

The pirelli scorpion as sport Nero hero whatever the hell they called them on our Expedition are 50k miles warranty tires, on a 22" wheel with a like 40 ratio sidewall. They were on the sporty end of what was available for it. It's also important to note that a 50k warranty tire doesn't mean it will be shot at 50k, that's the minimum they think the tire can get, and they'll pay for a portion of a new set of you don't. A boss I had in NC hit 100k on a set of tires on his 4.7 Tundra (which incidentally looked and drove brand new and had 270k miles on it - I was literally in disbelief when he told me that, it looked like it had maybe 30-40k easy miles on it).

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by NSXR

TireRack would disagree with you. They have the statistics and reviews.

80K on any vehicle with any set of tires is impossibly rare.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...ue=15#allTitle

I dunno if that link will work, but there were 4+ tires for F150s with 18" wheels that had 70k mile tread wear warranties. Continental, Goodyear, Michelin, take your pick. And a Bridgestone with an 80k mile warranty.

The Hankooks that were on my F150 have a 70k warranty. Even the quasi off-road ones are like 60k mile warranties. Not max lifespan, just what they guarantee you to get.

Truck tires last a long ass time if you don't get giant wheels on them (mine had 20s and our expedition has 22s so we in fact did have giant wheels on ours).

Just for funsies, I looked at tires for a 2010 Camry LE, a basic boring AF commuter car and found these.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...autoModClar=LE

90k mile warranty, lol. There's several others with 80-85k mile warranties too. Kinda bummed there wasn't one with a full 100k, lol. Per Google, Hankooks makes an Optima tire that has a 100k mile tread wear warranty, insane.

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

...there were 4+ tires for F150s with 18" wheels that had 70k mile tread wear warranties. And a Bridgestone with an 80k mile warranty. The Hankooks that were on my F150 have a 70k warranty. Even the quasi off-road ones are like 60k mile warranties. Not max lifespan, just what they guarantee you to get. 90k mile warranty, lol. There's several others with 80-85k mile warranties too. Kinda bummed there wasn't one with a full 100k, lol. Per Google, Hankooks makes an Optima tire that has a 100k mile tread wear warranty, insane.

The warranty is part of the pitch, but they're very specific about the conditions, and only an extreme few will meet them.

I have to say, if you're a normal driver and have 80K warranty tires then I don't want you on the road with me. Those hockey pucks have no performance whatsoever. It's not about driving skill at that point, it's about performance.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by NSXR

The warranty is part of the pitch, but they're very specific about the conditions, and only an extreme few will meet them.

I have to say, if you're a normal driver and have 80K warranty tires then I don't want you on the road with me. Those hockey pucks have no performance whatsoever. It's not about driving skill at that point, it's about performance.

The kind of people that drive vehicles with those tires aren't exactly pushing their cars. They're just putting miles on, and are probably a lot safer driver than the rest of us.

As far as it being part of a "pitch", disagree. Continental requires you to rotate them every 6-8k (weird that they give you a range for something that they want done before a maximum amount of miles). You get 6 years too. No staggered tires obviously. Not exactly a super rare use case here for people driving a buncha miles per year.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

F250 was a typo, should have said 150, hence calling out the Powerboost hybrid motor. 250s are huge with heavy duty frames designed to tow absurdly high loads. To be honest, unless you routinely tow >10k pounds, a 150 is all you'd want because the 250s kinda suck to drive without a couple thousand pounds on their hitch

Teslas aren't the only EVs. Just because they're made of nothing and are fairly light doesn't mean that's repetitive of the market as a whole. Charger EV, 5800lbs. Rivian R1T 7100lbs. VW ID4 4400-5000lbs. BMW iX up to 5800lbs. Silverado EV is up to 9100lbs. Hummer EV 96000lbs. Kia EV7 5800lbs.

These things weigh a crapload. The heaviest weight I can find for an Expedition Max is 5800lbs. Mine is a standard length and was 54xx on the scales at the dump loaded with half a tank of gas, car seats, all our other crap, and my little utility trailer full of palm fronds.

Given the proliferation of full size trucks on the road, I think this is the biggest nothingburger posted in a long time.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Given the proliferation of full size trucks on the road, I think this is the biggest nothingburger posted in a long time.

Agreed, just think it's bad when people are like "trucks tear up the road and are dangerous because they're so heavy" then turn around and ignore the exact same things on EVs.

The only difference is EVs don't pay gas taxes to fix the roads. I'm surprised more states have to put EV annual fees on that cover lost gas taxes.