[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by supra93

Why does everyone keep bring up the A80's weight? It's about the same as the 300zx and way less than the 3000GT VR-4 (3,7xx lbs).

Personally, I didn't want it look like an A80. I was hoping it was going to look like the FT-1. You know the car that they cock tease us with nonstop for years.

Again this!!!!!! Not even close to what they were saying. Like taking a warm wash clothe and removing her make-up the next morning. FALSE ADVERTISING !!

[jmg]

Originally Posted by supra93

Why does everyone keep bring up the A80's weight? It's about the same as the 300zx and way less than the 3000GT VR-4 (3,7xx lbs).

Personally, I didn't want it look like an A80. I was hoping it was going to look like the FT-1. You know the car that they cock tease us with nonstop for years.

True, the 300ZX and 3000GT were the closest competition to the MK5 Supra, but you have to remember what were the most popular rice rockets were at the time: RX-7, Eclipse GS-T, Integra, Civic... the 3000GT was also considered too heavy. I'm merely stating what I remember people were saying at the time, wether or not it is true in retrospect.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by jmg

True, the 300ZX and 3000GT were the closest competition to the MK5 Supra, but you have to remember what were the most popular rice rockets were at the time: RX-7, Eclipse GS-T, Integra, Civic... the 3000GT was also considered too heavy. I'm merely stating what I remember people were saying at the time, wether or not it is true in retrospect.

If you owned a FD RX7 you would know why it weights so little. Ok, of course FWD eco cars will weight less, in other news... Just because people repeat nonsense doesn't mean you should too.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by jmg

True, the 300ZX and 3000GT were the closest competition to the MK5 Supra, but you have to remember what were the most popular rice rockets were at the time: RX-7, Eclipse GS-T, Integra, Civic... the 3000GT was also considered too heavy. I'm merely stating what I remember people were saying at the time, wether or not it is true in retrospect.

Out of those cars, the RX-7 was the least seen by far in the North east. I lived at the Philly Street races for years They were always cool to see

[jmg]

Originally Posted by supra93

If you owned a FD RX7 you would know why it weights so little. Ok, of course FWD eco cars will weight less, in other news... Just because people repeat nonsense doesn't mean you should too.

The discussion was about how the MK4 Supra was received at the time. That was what I remember hearing at the time. I'm repeating it as an account of what people said at the time. It would be nonsense to lie and say everyone universally loved the MK4. I'm not saying they were factually right, just that they actually said it. That's all.

In that context, given how it actually wasn't that iconic off the lot, more after the fact, then maybe we are being too harsh on the GR Supra. It's still fairly new and actually isn't getting as much a negative a reaction other than what I already mentioned: It has to live up to the Supra name and it doesn't come in a manual. Other than that, it seems to be a fine track toy (with some mods of course). I really don't understand all the hate. We don't have many options out there, everyone seems to be catering to the lowest common denominator of more power and 0-60 times, or lightweight cars with no guts (86, MX-5). I welcome a 300hp+, sub 3400lb car. Just wish it had a manual.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by jmg

The discussion was about how the MK4 Supra was received at the time. That was what I remember hearing at the time. I'm repeating it as an account of what people said at the time. It would be nonsense to lie and say everyone universally loved the MK4. I'm not saying they were factually right, just that they actually said it. That's all.

In that context, given how it actually wasn't that iconic off the lot, more after the fact, then maybe we are being too harsh on the GR Supra. It's still fairly new and actually isn't getting as much a negative a reaction other than what I already mentioned: It has to live up to the Supra name and it doesn't come in a manual. Other than that, it seems to be a fine track toy (with some mods of course). I really don't understand all the hate. We don't have many options out there, everyone seems to be catering to the lowest common denominator of more power and 0-60 times, or lightweight cars with no guts (86, MX-5). I welcome a 300hp+, sub 3400lb car. Just wish it had a manual.

The real discussion is about the Zupra, however the thread keeps getting derailed. IIRC, performance wise the A80 was received pretty well in most reviews and comparison test. Never said everyone out there loved the A80. There isn't XXX car that is going make everyone happy. To me the past 3 or so pages have just been people posting half truths.

I don't necessarily disagree with most of the second half of your post. I feel I have been fairly neutral on the matter.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by jmg

We don't have many options out there, everyone seems to be catering to the lowest common denominator of more power and 0-60 times, or lightweight cars with no guts (86, MX-5). I welcome a 300hp+, sub 3400lb car.* Just wish it had a manual.

*That isn't a Nissan



(i wouldn't buy a 370Z either, but it is literally all of those things you mentioned with a base price of about $30K)

Back on topic, I also think the Zupra gets a bit too much hate, though i'm completely floored that they didn't offer a M/T. I'd have bought that car and not the M2 if they had put a M/T in it.

[supra93]

Yes, let's please get back on topic.

[evil-G-nius]

Eh. Just doesn't do a damn thing for me. I agree with @supra93 the FT-1 should have been the car they made with a true DCT or a manual option and a new strait 6 turbo built by Toyota

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by evil-G-nius

Eh. Just doesn't do a damn thing for me. I agree with @supra93 the FT-1 should have been the car they made with a true DCT or a manual option and a new strait 6 turbo built by Toyota

A DCT would have helped big. I love my DCT!

[supra93]

[Robotechnology]

Did the FT-1 concept look better... sure but, I do like the look of the new Supra. The thing I like is that Toyota made minute changes for reliability which would be nice to have vs owning the BMW version long term. If only Toyota diverged away from BMW with respect to the transmission choice. C'mon. Adopt BMW's DCT already and charge extra for it if you won't do a manual but, conventional automatics do not belong in sports cars!

[supra93]

[M3_WC]

I really don’t see the point in offering the 2.0l.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I really don’t see the point in offering the 2.0l.

It make sense for the EU and Japan with emission and engine tax displacement. However for the U.S. not so much imo. Toyota has only predicted a 20% rate for the 2.0. A TX dealer is saying no one is buying them. I think few places like CA seems to have less of an issue moving the 2.0s.

I think once the 400Z is release Toyota will either drop the 2.0 altogether, heavy discount it, and or revisit it with updates in-order to better compete with what Nissan is offering.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by supra93

It make sense for the EU and Japan with emission and engine tax displacement. However for the U.S. not so much imo. Toyota has only predicted a 20% rate for the 2.0. A TX dealer is saying no one is buying them. I think few places like CA seems to have less of an issue moving the 2.0s.

I think once the 400Z is release Toyota will either drop the 2.0 altogether, heavy discount it, and or revisit it with updates in-order to better compete with what Nissan is offering.

Hopefully once the Z is released with a manual , toyota will get their act together mx release a manual B58 A90
I'm still holding out for S55 DCT A90

[jmg]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Hopefully once the Z is released with a manual , toyota will get their act together mx release a manual B58 A90
I'm still holding out for S55 DCT A90

Yes please. They are just putting things in the chamber to help boost sales periodically.

2021: more power

2022: manual

2023: T-Top

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Hopefully once the Z is released with a manual , toyota will get their act together mx release a manual B58 A90
I'm still holding out for S55 DCT A90

That will be a while. Everything I'm seeing says the 400Z isn't likely to be released until late-2022 or early 2023.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I really don’t see the point in offering the 2.0l.

They offered a non turbo in the MKIV, I assume this is the "lesser equivalent" to the new lineup. It beat the stock MKIV in the drag race and is roughly what, 200 lbs lighter? With a DP and tune, hell even a stuffed turbo those are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Where I dont understand is the price point.. it should be priced well under the b58 car and it isn't. This is why they arent moving.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

That will be a while. Everything I'm seeing says the 400Z isn't likely to be released until late-2022 or early 2023.

According to Carmaker1

Originally Posted by Carmaker1

At this point, production will begin in September 2021 for November launch as a 2022 model year vehicle. It will not arrive sooner than that and will share quite a bit with the CV37 Infiniti Q60 coupe, being that it hinges on borrowing as many components as possible from that vehicle.

https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/t...e-4#post-57397

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by supra93

According to Carmaker1



https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/t...e-4#post-57397

It will be interesting to see how good this car can be considering it's nearly entirely a parts bin car utilizing existing Nissan parts outside of the revised body/interior panels.

[supra93]

^Hopefully Nissan doesn't go belly up so we can find out.

Back on topic.