[Mr. Jonathan]

Understood this is subjective but the G90 M5 doesn’t look as good as the F90 M5. The looks don’t overcome its increase in power delivery for me. Am I saying it’s not the best “super saloon” on the market? No, it may very well be. But if I’m going to purchase a performance BMW that size, it’s more likely going to be the X5M60 or XM. Either way, BMW gets my money. And before anyone from the peanut gallery chimes in. If G90 M5 and XM are considered pure M cars, the X5M60 is just as much a “pure” M car.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by nechi

My Stock 16 m235i runs and 11.8 1/4 mile embarrassing for the M5.

Are you crazy?

I own a 540i G30 (which as as quick as 2016 M235i) - it runs at best a 12.7-12.9 on 1/4 mile.

[nechi]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Are you crazy?

I own a 540i G30 (which as as quick as 2016 M235i) - it runs at best a 12.7-12.9 on 1/4 mile.

I meant 12.8 bro.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by nechi

I meant 12.8 bro.

Embarrassing for you. Why do people feel the need to comment when their experiences are so far from anything relevant. General forum / BP feature always brings out the peanuts.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

If G90 M5 and XM are considered pure M cars, the X5M60 is just as much a “pure” M car.

Age old hypothetical. The real test is when you are alone with your thoughts driving your non-high performance M, whether you truly believe that.

[Mr. Jonathan]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Age old hypothetical. The real test is when you are alone with your thoughts driving your non-high performance M, whether you truly believe that.

Considering emissions is admittedly the driving factor behind the G90 M5 and XM.. yes I do believe it.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

As many G90 owners try to explain, Matt Watson has discovered in this new video that the new M5 is not only exciting to drive but much faster in common driving situations. The whole video is interesting but particularly the last two minutes.

Yup! Eventually... All will come around.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

If G90 M5 and XM are considered pure M cars, the X5M60 is just as much a “pure” M car.

I assume you haven't taken an X5 M60 and a X5MC out for a test drive for you to make that comment. They drive and feel like completely different machines.

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I assume you haven't taken an X5 M60 and a X5MC out for a test drive for you to make that comment. They drive and feel like completely different machines.

Thank you. There will be those that will make claims because it shares an S engine now yet totally forget it’s the chassis mated to the motor that makes the experience different.

[Game]

Originally Posted by supershaft

I am not shy about admitting I hated the new m5 and everything about it when first announced however after test driving it I realized I was wrong about a lot of things. I agree that BMW did a terrible job on advertising the m5. The youtubers did a better job.

if there is one terrible modern M car that award has to go to the X3M. What a piece of garbage.

How’d you come up with that?

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by Game

How’d you come up with that?

Yeah I would not agree with that. It rode horrible though!

[Game]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Yeah I would not agree with that. It rode horrible though!

Pre-LCI, yes.

LCI I thought was great.

[Tom9960]

F90, F92 owner here and now G90. I bought the G90 expecting it to be less than the F90 but still its a BMW M car wont be disappointed. After driving the car from day 1 I can say the G90 is a better car. More comfortable yet you know its an M car, more tech and I can feel it has more power.
Only very small things I didnt like, like no soft close, you have to use the fron door handle only to open the car, the sound system in the F90 is much better and ofcourse the exhaust.
The exhaust is an easy fix, but the sound system Im waiting to see if anyone comes withan update for it.
Still a decent system but if you raise the volume more than 75% you can feel the system struggling.
In the end, I changed my mind about the G90 the same as anyone who drove the G90 couldnt be happier.

[Mr. Jonathan]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

Thank you. There will be those that will make claims because it shares an S engine now yet totally forget it’s the chassis mated to the motor that makes the experience different.

The chassis for a base F or G X5 or 5 series is the same chassis as the M verient. It’s indicated by the “F” or “G”. M cars don’t have a different chassis. Anyways ya’ll are missing the point of my original post.

[Sphygmomanometer]

He clearly changed his mind after watching my review. 🤣

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I assume you haven't taken an X5 M60 and a X5MC out for a test drive for you to make that comment. They drive and feel like completely different machines.

For sure. Those are the kinds of comments made by people who have never owned a true M car. I don’t mean haven’t driven one, but owned one as a daily. Had my E90 M3 for 6.5 years as a daily driver and it just just drove differently from the non-M. The full M’s are sharper, more raw/visceral. It’s not just about the power. But they aren’t the best daily drivers for many, understandably, hence the M lites.

After driving the 550e and G90 back to back, I decided I couldn’t live with the M5 as a daily driver…it’s just too firm for me at this stage of life, but a very enjoyable experience. The cancelled M560e would be just right.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

Considering emissions is admittedly the driving factor behind the G90 M5 and XM.. yes I do believe it.

Mercedes said the same thing about the 4cyl c63, now that sales are 0 they're going back to a v8 so emissions have nothing to do with it.

[Luminor513]

G90 is here. This is the first G90 iteration. It’s going to get faster, it’s going to be improved in performance and the interior quality issues will likely be addressed. Is it a departure from the F90 recipe, sure, but it’s the future and it’s here in its first version for all of us to consume. I think once the G90 runs its course, we will see that it was actually ahead of its time.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

The chassis for a base F or G X5 or 5 series is the same chassis as the M verient. It’s indicated by the “F” or “G”. M cars don’t have a different chassis. Anyways ya’ll are missing the point of my original post.

Same letters but different numbers for the M cars G60 / G90, G30/ G80. And yes lots of changes, bracing, suspensions, brakes, wider wheel size, wider body, LSD, additional cooling, transmission tuning, AWD tunning ... the engine. It changes a lot on how they drive other than on a straight line i'd say.

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

unfortunately I think we've reached the point with the size and weight of this class of car that buyers are much less worried about hustling these beasts around some turns. They are highly capable but I don't see this class anymore as meant to play in the canyon carver category. Will be interesting to see if the next gen of Audi wagons makes them more competitive from a performance standpoint. They've always been amongst the best looking but a step behind dynamically. Huge opportunity right now for Audi if they step up the performance and don't try and keep growing size and weight.

Quite accurate. The tastes have changed and the only constant is change. BMW and every auto manufacturer have to adapt.

Canyon Carver Category: gladly joining your petition to make it an official Car and Driver award category. Well phrased!

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Yeah I would not agree with that. It rode horrible though!

I owned one. It was the shortest ownership of any car I ever had. I think 3 months and I got rid of it. Horrid build quality - sunroof weatherstripping literally sticking out - creaks galore, and the worst of all was the ride quality or lack thereof.

Sorry I do not agree the LCI was better. I test drove one that was PDI'd and it felt the same to me.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

Understood this is subjective but the G90 M5 doesn’t look as good as the F90 M5. The looks don’t overcome its increase in power delivery for me. Am I saying it’s not the best “super saloon” on the market? No, it may very well be. But if I’m going to purchase a performance BMW that size, it’s more likely going to be the X5M60 or XM. Either way, BMW gets my money. And before anyone from the peanut gallery chimes in. If G90 M5 and XM are considered pure M cars, the X5M60 is just as much a “pure” M car.

obvious troll is obvious. we aren't comparing cars in a vacuum here. it's 2025 not 2019 so the standard what BMW considers M has changed - your non buying opinion is basically irrelevant. Additionally, no one should take you seriously if you think the XM is a better version of whatever you think the G90 is so no one cares what you are going to purchase because you aren't going to purchase anything let alone a XM. get these broke bois outta here.