[F90]

The car adds 1,000 lbs give or take and 100 hp.

It’s hybrid as well so it’ll launch more consistently and somewhat better, but the car will probably run the same times F90s do.

10.7-10.9 at 126-129 MPH.

60-130 mph ranging from 7.8-8.3s which is what Stock M5 Comps do now.

I thought M’s were supposed to get faster by generation.

I mean, it’s a 5,400 lbs car so it’s going to be shite on the actual race track but you’d think the straight line performance would be better.

Im not asking BMW to make a Tesla Plaid in the straights, but I have a hard time believing this car will actually be that much faster than the F90.

[F90]

To piggyback, the XM Label Red has 738 HP and weighs 800 pounds more.

So 20 more HP, less aerodynamic and has 800 lbs on the G90.

The Label Red on DragTimes clocked a surprising 11.2 at 125 MPH with a pretty heavy driver too.

I’m not sure what a 20 HP decrease but 900 lbs shedding will mean for the G90, but I’m hoping this car could at least run 10.4 at around 133 mph.

[SFT33]

There has never been a case where a new M5 has had the same spec as the previous generation. It will beat the F90 handily.

[CarlosM4]

I think the specs announced for this PHEV cars is severely understated for all Merc AMGs, BMW Ms, and Porsches

The C 63 S AMG is proving to be a lot quicker on tests then spec suggests (it made mince meat out of the W205 platform at very high speeds, despite its advantage on power being focused on the low end of the scale). The Porsches Turbo S and BMW XM, are a lot faster than number suggests. I thought the specs were underwhelming for the M5 G90, but its very likely it will be a lot faster than numbers suggest and the F90 (on a straight line).

It will still be heavy af, and drive heavy af, therefore probably it will beat the M5 F90 on track numbers but not driveability or pleasure.

[DocWeatherington]

F90
CarlosM4

I'm betting trap will be 137-141mph...

It's not an apples to apples of 100hp more...


EV power is a consistent pull so an added 194hp nevermind the torque fill up to 332lb-ft will make a difference. As it's right now... the limiting factor is the ZF tranny.


The weight will play a roll, however as things are getting heavier manufacturers are finding ways to hide it..never mind the added dynamic potential of center of gravity of the battery.

Time will tell if BMW did there homework.

[F90]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

F90
CarlosM4

I'm betting trap will be 137-141mph...

It's not an apples to apples of 100hp more...


EV power is a consistent pull so an added 194hp nevermind the torque fill up to 332lb-ft will make a difference. As it's right now... the limiting factor is the ZF tranny.


The weight will play a roll, however as things are getting heavier manufacturers are finding ways to hide it..never mind the added dynamic potential of center of gravity of the battery.

Time will tell if BMW did there homework.

If the car could actually trap 137-141 I’ll flip sh*t!

That means it’d be faster than every muscle car variant minus the Demon 170. Even faster than the 992 Turbo S. Outside of a Plaid, Lucid and SF90, I’m not seeing any car that would even come close to that monster on the street. May be missing some cars but damn!

You brought up good points about the constant pull.

For sake of comparison a F95 X5M weighs 1,000 lbs more than the F90 M5 and traps about (116-118) 10-12 MPH less. Obviously also different since the new models are hybrid as well.

If the XM Label Red weighs around the same but also can trap 125-127 (not enough data either in the real world to see it’s max potential dependent on weather), I could definitely see the G90 trapping 136-139 the more I think about it which would be bonkers.

The XM Label Red had a heavy passenger and ran in Florida heat, clocking an 11.2 at 125.5 MPH.

[DocWeatherington]

f90 comp trap speeds per all the mags... they where traping at 128-129mph...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

2.8 seconds and a quarter-mile blast in 10.9 seconds at 128 mph


https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/

The sedan will have less weight, better aero and I would think more refinement in the powertain and again the weight is all speculative. Plus the EV side is probably extremely tunable...

Why I see this being high 130s or low 140s.

I have never seen bmw launch a next gen m what wasn't faster than the old.

I had a f90 cp and now an XM and the v8 is highly detuned and not even stressed but the tranny is the limiting factor. If ZF could figure out an 8 speed that could take 1100ft pounds they could get a better tune on the motor and EV side.

[F90]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I'm not sure where you got the f90 comp trap speeds but per all the mags... they where traping at 128-129mph...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

2.8 seconds and a quarter-mile blast in 10.9 seconds at 128 mph


https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/

Haha I tried to include terrible conditions and elevation (humid etc) to be fair. But yes, I’ve seen M5’s trapping at 129.7 mph too. I’ve clocked 128.6 in mine as well.


So it’s safe to say the G90 M5 should have 12 MPH over the XM as well.

Thinking 136 mph would be the baseline on a hot summer day and 139-140 would be the optimal weather runs.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by F90

Haha I tried to include terrible conditions and elevation (humid etc) to be fair. But yes, I’ve seen M5’s trapping at 129.7 mph too. I’ve clocked 128.6 in mine as well.


So it’s safe to say the G90 M5 should have 12 MPH over the XM as well.

Thinking 136 mph would be the baseline on a hot summer day and 139-140 would be the optimal weather runs.

Yeah, would also put room for the m3 to grow in pace.


Will be interesting numbers and if they comp vs cs versions down the line

[ASAP]

mid 10s would be a minimum expectation from me at least at 130... but again, this thing is to weigh 5500 lbs so who knows

[CarlosM4]

10 mph increase on trap speed is a lot, and you gotta consider that the faster the you go, the greater the air resistance holding you back. I don't believe anywhere near 140 mph trap speed is feasible (look at the tuned M5 F90 trap speeds and 1/4 miles)

I believe a 10.5-10.6s 1/4 mile with a 134mph is possible, but anything a lot quicker than that, is highly unlikely.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

10 mph increase on trap speed is a lot, and you gotta consider that the faster the you go, the greater the air resistance holding you back. I don't believe anywhere near 140 mph trap speed is feasible (look at the tuned M5 F90 trap speeds and 1/4 miles)

I believe a 10.5-10.6s 1/4 mile with a 134mph is possible, but anything a lot quicker than that, is highly unlikely.

I bet that is spot on.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

F90
CarlosM4

I'm betting trap will be 137-141mph...

It's not an apples to apples of 100hp more...


EV power is a consistent pull so an added 194hp nevermind the torque fill up to 332lb-ft will make a difference. As it's right now... the limiting factor is the ZF tranny.


The weight will play a roll, however as things are getting heavier manufacturers are finding ways to hide it..never mind the added dynamic potential of center of gravity of the battery.

Time will tell if BMW did there homework.

IMO that trap speed is wildly aggressive.
! I We will find out soon, and I’m happy to be wrong.

[CarlosM4]

BMW quotes it slower than the F90. What a joke

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

BMW quotes it slower than the F90. What a joke

Indeed. Doc needs to get in here and eat some crow. I’m not surprised at all though.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Indeed. Doc needs to get in here and eat some crow. I’m not surprised at all though.

Bmw is always conservative... look at m3 0-60 vs actual times sub 3

BMW also says that it takes the G90 M5 2.9 seconds for the sprint from 50 to 75 mph in fifth gear. In fourth gear, this figure drops as low as 2.2 seconds.

BMW quotes 10.9 seconds for the run to 124 mph. The f90 was 11.1... which was also conservative

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Bmw is always conservative... look at m3 0-60 vs actual times sub 3

BMW also says that it takes the G90 M5 2.9 seconds for the sprint from 50 to 75 mph in fifth gear. In fourth gear, this figure drops as low as 2.2 seconds.

BMW quotes 10.9 seconds for the run to 124 mph. The f90 was 11.1... which was also conservative

So you are sticking to your guns? I agree BMW is conservative, but this car appears to be slightly faster than the last car. Not meaningfully so.

[DocWeatherington]

[QUOTE=WWM3;31261487]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Bmw is always conservative... look at m3 0-60 vs actual times sub 3

BMW also says that it takes the G90 M5 2.9 seconds for the sprint from 50 to 75 mph in fifth gear. In fourth gear, this figure drops as low as 2.2 seconds.

BMW quotes 10.9 seconds for the run to 124 mph. The f90 was 11.1... which was also conservative post testing.

So you think your estimates will prove to be accurate?

What I took above is from bmw's own press releases from the launch of the F90 vs G90.

If you look the last gen was going 130mph in 10.8.

So will the new one trap faster than the last I think so..how much no idea..may I be off at 140 trap ..likely, the question is how much and nevermind still plenty of room for power with whatever version they come out with.

Skip to 8:23

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by WWM3

So you are sticking to your guns? I agree BMW is conservative, but this car appears to be slightly faster than the last car. Not meaningfully so.

For some reason my message didn't stay..
If you look at the image you will see the old car was already 2.7 seconds to 60, then 10.8 at 130mph.

If they are already indirectly saying the new is is faster and giving conservative numbers. I'm going to stick to my guns to say with this platform we will be seeing high 130s trap speeds. Will there be an M5 comp or CS don't know but safe to assume so.

Skip to 8:30 in the video

[F90]

Originally Posted by WWM3

So you are sticking to your guns? I agree BMW is conservative, but this car appears to be slightly faster than the last car. Not meaningfully so.

So I know it means nothing but timing the 100-200 through video was 6.6 100-200 KPH.

Obviously the speedometer could be off and the weather, slope etc all matter for better or worse.

I assume we’ll see 6.3-6.4 100-200 kph in great conditions which will equate to around 7.3-7.4 60-130 mph.

Which is about a 132-134 mph trap speed give or take.

So, it’s going to be around 8-9 mph faster to the 1/4 than the XM Label Red.

Essentially how a F90 M5 is about 8-9 mph faster to the 1/4 than the F95 X5M.

That was around my initial guess.

[CarlosM4]

BMW would have announced it way quicker, if it was, as it knows that announcing it has a worse 0-60(100), and slightly faster 0-200 (0.2) and (0.3s quicker 100-200) with the same 305 km/h top speed, is bound to disappoint those who expected something way faster than the F90 to trade. I think its only slightly faster.

[CarlosM4]

I believe its a 10.8 car with 130 trap speed. Barely quicker than the F90 Competition, this is, if its any quicker at all. Could be the same numbers as the F90 Competition in the end of the day