[DocWeatherington]

For all those freaking out about the M5 weight... well freak out a little more.. the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid weights 5311 lbs also.

Judging by the specs is also using the same EV side powertain as BMW and everyone else.


If you note it ran a 7:24.17 around the ring... manufacturers can hide weight..so freak put a little more please.

[gblansten]

Maybe they should have added two thousand pounds. That way even more weight could be hidden.

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

For all those freaking out about the M5 weight... well freak out a little more.. the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid weights 5311 lbs also.

Judging by the specs is also using the same EV side powertain as BMW and everyone else.


If you note it ran a 7:24.17 around the ring... manufacturers can hide weight..so freak put a little more please.

Is it selling?

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Is it selling?

Just was revealed within the last few weeks. Not on sale yet

[hspark89]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Is it selling?

It will sell like cake. No one mentions weight when they are buying a Panamera. I think the G90 is now a Panamera competitor for strong good reasons.

[BritInSF]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

For all those freaking out about the M5 weight... well freak out a little more.. the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid weights 5311 lbs also.

Judging by the specs is also using the same EV side powertain as BMW and everyone else.


If you note it ran a 7:24.17 around the ring... manufacturers can hide weight..so freak put a little more please.

The Panamera has the Active Ride suspension. It's far more advanced at masking and managing weight than what BMW is using on the M5 (unless M Division is not fully sharing key details of their suspension setup).

[subterFUSE]

I seriously hope people don't buy these cars. Germany's economy is heavily dependent on the auto industry. If these EV and PHEV cars don't sell well, the government is going to have to loosen the restrictions.

[CarlosM4]

I will repeat the post I made on another thread.

Prices are out for the new M5 in Brazil (pre-order) and holy cow, its almost the same price as the Panamera Turbo Hybrid here (around 50k R$ cheaper which is 10k USD). Major price hike over the outgoing M5 F90, and even more expensive than a F95 BMW X6 M Competition here.

The car comes fully optioned here though.

Insane price. Maybe not in the USA, but I believe in many parts of the world, the M5 will be in direct confrontation with the Panamera Turbo Hybrid.

The M5 will be in a bad position if they adopt this pricing strategy in other places of the globe.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by BritInSF

The Panamera has the Active Ride suspension. It's far more advanced at masking and managing weight than what BMW is using on the M5 (unless M Division is not fully sharing key details of their suspension setup).

They do but only time will tell. The XM for what it is pretty nimble.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I will repeat the post I made on another thread.

Prices are out for the new M5 in Brazil (pre-order) and holy cow, its almost the same price as the Panamera Turbo Hybrid here (around 50k R$ cheaper which is 10k USD). Major price hike over the outgoing M5 F90, and even more expensive than a F95 BMW X6 M Competition here.

The car comes fully optioned here though.

Insane price. Maybe not in the USA, but I believe in many parts of the world, the M5 will be in direct confrontation with the Panamera Turbo Hybrid.

The M5 will be in a bad position if they adopt this pricing strategy in other places of the globe.

The US is the largest market for the M5..and the M5 is 121k USD ...the Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid is 228k USD. So there is 107k USD base price difference.

M5 splits the difference between the 4E Hybrid and 4S E hybrid in price.

[n55f15]

To echo the above, the Panamera is 300k CAD vs 160 for the M5

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

The US is the largest market for the M5..and the M5 is 121k USD ...the Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid is 228k USD. So there is 107k USD base price difference.

M5 splits the difference between the 4E Hybrid and 4S E hybrid in price.

I find it bizarre how pricing strategies and pricing of cars in Brazil is so different to the US.

Porsche's are very agressively priced here.

Although the base M5 is not really a far comparison to the base Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid, as the Panamera is filled with goodies as standard. Nonetheless there is still an easy 80k usd difference between two in the US, while in Brazil they are almost identically priced.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I find it bizarre how pricing strategies and pricing of cars in Brazil is so different to the US.

Porsche's are very agressively priced here.

Although the base M5 is not really a far comparison to the base Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid, as the Panamera is filled with goodies as standard. Nonetheless there is still an easy 80k usd difference between two in the US, while in Brazil they are almost identically priced.

Based upon powertains and intended purpose they are.

Some countries have value added taxes, and your cars may come better equipped vs our base. Never mind dollar conversion

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

I seriously hope people don't buy these cars. Germany's economy is heavily dependent on the auto industry. If these EV and PHEV cars don't sell well, the government is going to have to loosen the restrictions.

Exactly.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by hspark89

It will sell like cake. No one mentions weight when they are buying a Panamera. I think the G90 is now a Panamera competitor for strong good reasons.

and the panamera GTS gets up to 170-180k decently optioned out let alone the turbo, M5 is cheap by comparison

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

I seriously hope people don't buy these cars. Germany's economy is heavily dependent on the auto industry. If these EV and PHEV cars don't sell well, the government is going to have to loosen the restrictions.

I was just thinking this after seeing the ZR1. If EU keeps going down this path, shooting themselves in the foot, I’m going American in the future.

[crypto]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

I was just thinking this after seeing the ZR1. If EU keeps going down this path, shooting themselves in the foot, I’m going American in the future.

The new ZR1 looks baller but I think once optioned reasonably I bet that thing will be close to or north of $200k. Also it’s my understanding Chevy isn’t limiting its production but I bet they’re still super hard to come by for a long time. Maybe im wrong on both accounts but we will see. Also a two seater so maybe not a direct competitor here though. Then again I know you weren’t saying that in your reply. Just got me thinking about the Corvette lol.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

I was just thinking this after seeing the ZR1. If EU keeps going down this path, shooting themselves in the foot, I’m going American in the future.

I belive the EU is pulling back the push of EVs and have outs for manufacturers to keep ICE motors alive.

[Derived]

The M5 and the Panamera are not comparable cars. One is a full size luxury flagship that shares a platform with the Flying Spur - and feels it every inch. The other is a 5 series.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Derived

The M5 and the Panamera are not comparable cars. One is a full size luxury flagship that shares a platform with the Flying Spur - and feels it every inch. The other is a 5 series.

Hmmm... the 5 series shares its platform with the 7 series and IX.. CLAR 2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_...m,Manufacturer

[hufington]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I belive the EU is pulling back the push of EVs and have outs for manufacturers to keep ICE motors alive.

This seems the case as the MB CEO mentioned not long ago that they had revised their future plans and they are now intending to manufacture ICE cars for much longer than previously planned.

[FSHNGRY]

1) both will sell like hot cakes to their respective consumer base

2) I would compare the Panamera to the S63 for a lot of reasons

Just the way of the world now. We gotta pay to play unfortunately- and not the with the list of toys we were once accustomed to. Price being one of them