[MikeZ67]

Is this confirmed one way or the other? I haven’t heard any reviewers mention it.

Early on there was a lot of confusion about this model being decontented specifically around the B&W sound system and the 4 zone climate control. We now know that both of those features are standard. Has soft close been left off?

[Moewron]

No soft-close doors.

Yes, to B+W, but it's not the full diamond B+W system. It's closer to the B+W system they're shipping in the iX.

Edit- and as someone who highly values good audio equipment, the sound in the iX is, to me, just as good as the sound in my 2018 m550 with the Diamond B+W. I think it's because of the surround speakers in the headrest and the 4d sound or whatever they call it that increases bass feel through the back of the seat. I suspect the sound system in the G90/99 won't have those features

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Moewron

No soft-close doors.

Yes, to B+W, but it's not the full diamond B+W system. It's closer to the B+W system they're shipping in the iX.

Edit- and as someone who highly values good audio equipment, the sound in the iX is, to me, just as good as the sound in my 2018 m550 with the Diamond B+W. I think it's because of the surround speakers in the headrest and the 4d sound or whatever they call it that increases bass feel through the back of the seat. I suspect the sound system in the G90/99 won't have those features

I think BMW is not offering a better sound system to save on weight. Their dedicated crew of engineers was likely worried that modest upgrades of the system could adversely affect handling in the M5. The headrest system, especially might raise the center of gravity.

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I think BMW is not offering a better sound system to save on weight. Their dedicated crew of engineers was likely worried that modest upgrades of the system could adversely affect handling in the M5. The headrest system, especially might raise the center of gravity.

Yep, that's my guess as well. Same reason, probably as no soft-close doors, and maybe even why it's just extended and not full leather.

As a HUGE B+W audio fan, I'm not concerned at all by the version they're putting in this one.

[DocWeatherington]

Correction...

The IX system is Diamond and is in the next tier of B&W systems that Bmw offers.

The B&W system in the 5 series (absent the Chinese market) is not Diamond.

IX- 30 speakers 1615 watts with Diamond domes

5- 17 speakers 655 watts

Moewron

https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/...Htd5riT_77IZXq

[x622]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I think BMW is not offering a better sound system to save on weight. Their dedicated crew of engineers was likely worried that modest upgrades of the system could adversely affect handling in the M5. The headrest system, especially might raise the center of gravity.

You, I like you.


I remember when the Plaid was a heavy tank, then Mercedes and BMW said "hold my beer"

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Correction...

The IX system is Diamond and is in the next tier of B&W systems that Bmw offers.

The B&W system in the 5 series (absent the Chinese market) is not Diamond.

IX- 30 speakers 1615 watts with Diamond domes

5- 17 speakers 655 watts

Moewron

https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/...Htd5riT_77IZXq

Interesting. I assumed it was not the diamond version because it didn't have that main center tweeter on top of the dash.

Thanks for the correction!

[BlueString]

Is 4 zone climate standard on the G90 here in the U.S.? I don't see it under the executive package and under standard features from BMWUSA, it shows dual zone climate control. Can someone confirm for the U.S. market.

[M6-Coupe]

Soft close door needs some extra DC motors and those motors are heavy.
Against the strategy of saving weight

[Carac]

It also feels like there's some bean counting going on with the pricing. The price of the new M5 surprised me because, adjusted for inflation a BASE 2018 E63 would be $140k in today's money but that's the price of a LOADED 2025 M5. A loaded E63 like mine (that has soft close, massage seats, etc.) would be $180k today but in 2018 was the same price as a fully loaded 2025 M5. Maybe the reason the new M5 seems like a "bargain" is because of decontenting. I won't lie that I was a little disappointed with what's missing compared to what I think it should have. That didn't stop me from ordering one but I'll be losing some features when I replace the Merc.

[mjr24]

The B and W in the G60 sucks. It’s going to be the same in the M5.

No soft close doors.

[SFT33]

Buying a new model BMW is a mistake. Less options, bugs not worked out, etc. I’d bet soft close doors and full leather are in the future.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by Carac

It also feels like there's some bean counting going on with the pricing. The price of the new M5 surprised me because, adjusted for inflation a BASE 2018 E63 would be $140k in today's money but that's the price of a LOADED 2025 M5. A loaded E63 like mine (that has soft close, massage seats, etc.) would be $180k today but in 2018 was the same price as a fully loaded 2025 M5. Maybe the reason the new M5 seems like a "bargain" is because of decontenting. I won't lie that I was a little disappointed with what's missing compared to what I think it should have. That didn't stop me from ordering one but I'll be losing some features when I replace the Merc.

Precisely. The reason why all these tech features are absent on the new M5 is to keep the price down. Soft close doors, full leather, high-end stereo, all of these things would push the price considerably higher.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Precisely. The reason why all these tech features are absent on the new M5 is to keep the price down. Soft close doors, full leather, high-end stereo, all of these things would push the price considerably higher.

I mean they offer a $9k brake option, wouldn't kill them to at least offer up this stuff. Soft close doors are whatever for me cause I know how to properly shut a door lol but not giving the option to get the diamond system is a miss imo

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

Soft close doors are whatever for me cause I know how to properly shut a door lol

Do you think this is why people get soft-close??

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Moewron

Do you think this is why people get soft-close??

lol was mostly joking but honestly I almost never fail to close a door so I can only assume it's for people with children who haven't figured it out yet or something. With automatic doors like on the 7 they make sense . maybe to sneak home late at night without waking people up with a door slam i dunno lol

[Alan l.]

I have soft close doors on my X5M and honestly its barely needed. I think the doors just close shut on their own with minimal effort without the need for soft close doors to engage 99% of the time. Sometimes i wish they activated more often but the weight of the doors is just enough to close nearly on their own. Sometimes a little too hard (aka wife) slamming them shut.

I'm sure BMW could have added SCD, full leather dash, full B&W system but would people then bitch that the car is now 150K+ ?