[Mani59]

The 2025 BMW M5 ($135,000 starting in Canada, $119,500 starting in the US) is all new for this model year, and with it comes a whopping 717 horsepower from a hybridized twin-turbo V8. As the first-ever hybrid M5, it’s also good for a combined 738 lb ft of torque and has a claimed electric-only range of up to 40 km. But all that extra power comes at a rather heavy price - it weighs about 1000 lbs more than the outgoing model. Will the new M5 live up to its high expectations set by its predecessors? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode.

[ROMIL]

Good to see the G90 beat the base F90 M5 in both the off-the-line drag race and the drag from a rolling start (that one wasn't even close with all that hybrid torque). Be interesting to see the G90 go up against the F90 M5C and M5CS. But yikes, the overall review was pretty negative.

[ctelimad]

I think it will loose the drag race for the m5 cs and tie the comp but it will win the rolling race against both the cs and m5 comp

[subterFUSE]

"Feels like an i5 with an engine, rather than an M5 with a battery."

Says it all, right there.

[CarlosM4]

Man, the review I was waiting, because I know these guys have very similar to me in cars, and they criticize what needs to be criticized. They tore apart the new M5. Jesus. That was embarassing for BMW

[ctelimad]

I love throttle house people and agree will all the points
I remember initially they did not like the M8 and then on recent review they changed their minds
I think with the new regulations all gone the old days and we should stop comparing new cars to old ones given the new requirements and the added weight from the batteries

[CarlosM4]

The trouble is the new M5 will likely be disappointing to enthusiasts who own the M5 F90 or M8. It will probably be just like they said, a car that will take some years for people to appreciate it and truly understand it.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

The trouble is the new M5 will likely be disappointing to enthusiasts who own the M5 F90 or M8. It will probably be just like they said, a car that will take some years for people to appreciate it and truly understand it.

Coming from daily driving my M8 coupe will let you know in few weeks when i get my new car

[Evinrude1975]

I wish to know they were testing the new M5. I would have borrowed my M5 CS

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

I wish to know they were testing the new M5. I would have borrowed my M5 CS

They wanted to compare it to a standard F90 M5 (to be standard M5 G90 vs standard F90)

[supershaft]

it's not unfair to compare it to the m5c or m5cs.

great review though.

[Remigijus]

One of the greatest reviews so far. No sugar coating, and the cinematics are great.

[gblansten]

Excellent and thoughtful review. Didn't come off as desiring to troll or be sensationalist. Just truly well done and honest.

[Moewron]

Yeah, I agree. My summary would be "it's surprisingly faster than the F90, and it does what an M5 is supposed to do, which is get you to work quickly. But we don't like the looks, and it's less adept at cornering."

And I wish they would have leaned more heavily on the last point they tried to make in the video- the name of the second office he went into... I truly believe that BMW's main goal for this car was to make sure it had a V8 and to make sure it didn't cost as much as an Astin Martin due to fines for emissions, and a PHEV was the only way to go.

For me, it's ideal... it's the first M5 I'll buy because it exactly suits my needs and desires (fast, but comfy, no tracking, with PHEV), but I get how it's not what others may want.

[EUPremier]

I sold my F10 M5 as I was getting murdered in both taxes & fuel costs for daily driving.
I know it would be a different story in the US where automotive costs are tiny comparitively.
G90 addresses global climate regulation.
People can either accept that or not.
The M5 is having rocks thrown at it, mainly by Americans who just don’t care about emissions nor have to deal with climate regulation.
That’s fine if all one cares about it purity of the driving experience. I like that too but not to the extent I want my kids breathing terrible air.
G90 works for me even if there are compromises.

[hoeselr]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

I sold my F10 M5 as I was getting murdered in both taxes & fuel costs for daily driving.
I know it would be a different story in the US where automotive costs are tiny comparitively.
G90 addresses global climate regulation.
People can either accept that or not.
The M5 is having rocks thrown at it, mainly by Americans who just don’t care about emissions nor have to deal with climate regulation.
That’s fine if all one cares about it purity of the driving experience. I like that too but not to the extent I want my kids breathing terrible air.
G90 works for me even if there are compromises.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

I sold my F10 M5 as I was getting murdered in both taxes & fuel costs for daily driving.
I know it would be a different story in the US where automotive costs are tiny comparitively.
G90 addresses global climate regulation.
People can either accept that or not.
The M5 is having rocks thrown at it, mainly by Americans who just don’t care about emissions nor have to deal with climate regulation.
That’s fine if all one cares about it purity of the driving experience. I like that too but not to the extent I want my kids breathing terrible air.
G90 works for me even if there are compromises.

And there we have it. Climate conscious V8 buyer… if ones concerned about that there are much better options out there. Prius comes to mind. Worst thing in life is lying to ourselves. I am concerned about climate so I’ll go and buy 5500lbs v8 car with gas guzzler tax on sticker. I’ve paid so I did my share mindset.

[subterFUSE]

The Euro climate regulations are a joke. If carbon is really a problem then the only solution is to eradicate China from the face of the earth. And then once China is gone, India has to go next. Unless those 2 countries are eliminated, nothing the rest of the world does will matter. Certainly not going to make a dent with a 25 mile range PHEV M5.

[masd79]

Yikes, this is a very concerning review. They should have compared it to the m5c in my opinion because bmw has said there is no more comp. They almost did bmw a favor. Not to mention who even has a m5 f90, last I checked they barely sold any post 21 due to minor price diff if at all… and the slight advantage g90 had off the line might be lost too if compared to m5c.. now that would suck

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by masd79

Yikes, this is a very concerning review. They should have compared it to the m5c in my opinion because bmw has said there is no more comp. They almost did bmw a favor. Not to mention who even has a m5 f90, last I checked they barely sold any post 21 due to minor price diff if at all… and the slight advantage g90 had off the line might be lost too if compared to m5c.. now that would suck

I think the real take-home here is that it murdered the F90 on the rolling run.

Personally, I have no interest in standing starts… they’re hard on the vehicle, cause wear & tear. Plus, the last time I did one I was a millimetre from being arrested! 🤣

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

The Euro climate regulations are a joke. If carbon is really a problem then the only solution is to eradicate China from the face of the earth. And then once China is gone, India has to go next. Unless those 2 countries are eliminated, nothing the rest of the world does will matter. Certainly not going to make a dent with a 25 mile range PHEV M5.

I agree that a global effort is required. 100%

However, I notice an enormous difference in air quality when I arrive at US cities from Europe.
I have found Chicago O’Hare one of the worst offenders.
On the return, I look forward to the doors opening and fresh air.

The difference is that stark.

So, the emissions nannies are a bore but they serve a purpose too.

The PHEVs & EVs do make a difference to air quality in dense urban areas.

And, having owned one, I guarantee some of you will be amazed that your G90 can manage your whole daily commute without using a teaspoon of gas.

I too was sceptical until I lived with a 545e for a few years.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Moewron

Yeah, I agree. My summary would be "it's surprisingly faster than the F90, and it does what an M5 is supposed to do, which is get you to work quickly. But we don't like the looks, and it's less adept at cornering."

And I wish they would have leaned more heavily on the last point they tried to make in the video- the name of the second office he went into... I truly believe that BMW's main goal for this car was to make sure it had a V8 and to make sure it didn't cost as much as an Astin Martin due to fines for emissions, and a PHEV was the only way to go.

For me, it's ideal... it's the first M5 I'll buy because it exactly suits my needs and desires (fast, but comfy, no tracking, with PHEV), but I get how it's not what others may want.

Exactly this ☝️.

I loved my 2016 F10 which I purchased used. Some great backroads near me to get that leery backend rotating a little during spirited drives. Time will tell whether all of that essence is lost in the G90.

However, I’m in the market for a new car in this space. What’s the competition really? Also bear in mind that full ICE will add $70,000 to the price in my market. 🤯