[m3ray]

Father walks in on a sexual abuser molesting his 11 year old son and beats the @#%$ out of him. The abuse has been going on since the boy was 8 years old. I would have killed the SOB.

Father was not charged with any crime. In an insane world, at least there is some justice there. Hopefully this dirtbag will get what's coming to him in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-fla-fat...93806138.html#

http://news.yahoo.com/video/florida-...054110580.html

[2011CrazE89]

The only problem is that he's still alive.

[Mardio]

Now he will get locked up, I forecast another beating in jail.

[Sedan_Clan]

Justice indeed!

[P1]

Oh, that boy looks fresh!

[Lups]

Taking justice in his way might be satisfying, but I still can't accept it. It allows humans turning from civilized beings to bests once again, and soon we will be burning witches because that have red hair.

That said: never even try to hurt my babies.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Lups

Taking justice in his way might be satisfying, but I still can't accept it. It allows humans turning from civilized beings to bests once again, and soon we will be burning witches because that have red hair.

That said: never even try to hurt my babies.

No normal human being would have "talked" to an individual caught molesting their child. Issues of passion - which this falls under that umbrella - are the reasons why we don't usually arrest individuals nor does the DA usually press charges. There was nothing beast-like or uncivilized about this situation (..by American standards; Finland's miles may vary). I'm surprised that he didn't kill the guy.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Mardio

Now he will get locked up, I forecast another beating in jail.

The word will get out and he'll 'get it' while incarcerated.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No normal human being would have "talked" to an individual caught molesting their child. Issues of passion - which this falls under that umbrella - are the reasons why we don't usually arrest individuals nor does the DA usually press charges. There was nothing beast-like or uncivilized about this situation (..by American standards; Finland's miles may vary). I'm surprised that he didn't kill the guy.

My standards of conduct varies in many ways from the norm, but I for one would never take the chance in a situation like that, that the victim first sees me going mental, and then goes trough the worry of losing me as the support in a time of crises. My first priority would be taking care of the healing process, not my personal anger.

That said, I would make my mission in life to get the lawyers and the doctors to get the legal and mental help the child would need. It's not a nationality thing, it's the great difference between any two human being.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Lups

My standards of conduct varies in many ways from the norm, but I for one would never take the chance in a situation like that, that the victim first sees me going mental, and then goes trough the worry of losing me as the support in a time of crises. My first priority would be taking care of the healing process, not my personal anger.

That said, I would make my mission in life to get the lawyers and the doctors to get the legal and mental help the child would need. It's not a nationality thing, it's the great difference between any two human being.

You say that now, but that's because you're thinking rationally and are not in that situation. Walk in on a random man in between your young daughter's legs, and I can almost guarantee that you will not act so rationally. This is exactly why we call them "Crimes/Acts of Passion", because normally rational people do irrational things in emotionally charged moments. We can agree to disagree on this one. The psychology of the human brain supports my statement. You cut your husband off from food because he made fun of the F8X's Active Sound, yet you expect me to believe that you wouldn't beat up a perp molesting your daughter??? Oh Lups!

[Joekerr]

Ha ha - I think Sedan "Chan" has the upper hand on Lups here. Lups, are you trying to make us believe you've never gotten angry and either broke something or in some other way just lost it? Never? I don't believe that.

Your hubby cooking the plastic handle off your favourite pan in the oven was probably a scenario where you were able to be calm since it was no big deal really, and your instructions were to blame. But I bet other stuff has happened where you lost it.

This father acted perfectly fine...I wouldn't be surprised if the abuser tripped a few times on the way in between the house and the officer's car.

[P1]

Originally Posted by Lups

Taking justice in his way might be satisfying, but I still can't accept it. It allows humans turning from civilized beings to bests once again, and soon we will be burning witches because that have red hair.

That said: never even try to hurt my babies.

In Belgium, the father would go to jail, the justice system would slap the abuser's wrist and the socialist government would put him in a plush "revalidation" program, all expenses paid of course.

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by Lups

Taking justice in his way might be satisfying, but I still can't accept it. It allows humans turning from civilized beings to bests once again, and soon we will be burning witches because that have red hair.

That said: never even try to hurt my babies.

You’re right. The father who had just witnessed an abuser raping his son should have just invited him to sit down for a cup of tea and “talk it over”. What planet are you from?

The flaw in your logic is thinking that pedophiles are human beings. They are sub-humans who prey on the most helpless victims, children. In almost every case the trauma for the children is so severe that the abuse goes unreported to parents, teachers, and friends for months or even years, as was the case here.

Add to which the father walked in while the abuser was in the act. He was completely justified in doing what he did to protect his son. He did not beat him up after the fact in a vengeful fit of rage, which imo should be justified as well.

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No normal human being would have "talked" to an individual caught molesting their child. Issues of passion - which this falls under that umbrella - are the reasons why we don't usually arrest individuals nor does the DA usually press charges. There was nothing beast-like or uncivilized about this situation (..by American standards; Finland's miles may vary). I'm surprised that he didn't kill the guy.

Being this is Florida I am surprised he didn't shoot him. I think he could have argued justification there too. In his home, in the act and protecting his son. I don't think any DA in the country would have wanted to prosecute that case.

[Lups]

Okay, now you just want to think I'm taking a higher stand in this, and that I'm trying to say I'm above human flaws. That's not the case.

A former team mate of mine, whom I had not heard a word in years called me in the middle of the night once. She had locked herself to the bathroom, and till this day she hasn't talked to me about what happened there. I took her to the ER, and then returned to get her stuff, the genius took a swing at me and I lost it completely. The only reason I have a clean record is that he didn't want the world to know he got beaten up by a girl.

That had nothing to do with self-defense, I can after all these years admit my motive was pure revenge. Still, I took no action against him while the true victim was present. I like to think over all I have control over my actions, and that in times of crises, I still try to keep a clear head.

My first priority is the victim. Never revenge. I like to think that my personality will not change completely just because it is my child that is the one suffering.

As for the mentioning of the tiny sound conflict in our house, I would say passive aggressive route taken there is no way comparable to a situation described in the ot.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Ha ha - I think Sedan "Chan" has the upper hand on Lups here. Lups, are you trying to make us believe you've never gotten angry and either broke something or in some other way just lost it? Never? I don't believe that.

Your hubby cooking the plastic handle off your favourite pan in the oven was probably a scenario where you were able to be calm since it was no big deal really, and your instructions were to blame. But I bet other stuff has happened where you lost it.

This father acted perfectly fine...I wouldn't be surprised if the abuser tripped a few times on the way in between the house and the officer's car.

He definitely would've tripped a few times on the way to my patrol car. j/k.....or not! I'm glad that I do highway enforcement. Being a municipal officer would probably result in me being angry all of the time.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by m3ray

You’re right. The father who had just witnessed an abuser raping his son should have just invited him to sit down for a cup of tea and “talk it over”. What planet are you from?

The flaw in your logic is thinking that pedophiles are human beings. They are sub-humans who prey on the most helpless victims, children. In almost every case the trauma for the children is so severe that the abuse goes unreported to parents, teachers, and friends for months or even years, as was the case here.

Add to which the father walked in while the abuser was in the act. He was completely justified in doing what he did to protect his son. He did not beat him up after the fact in a vengeful fit of rage, which imo should be justified as well.

My point was, that that is the time the victim needs the people she of he loves the most. Time for revenge is never that.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Lups

Okay, now you just want to think I'm taking a higher stand in this, and that I'm trying to say I'm above human flaws. That's not the case.

A former team mate of mine, whom I had not heard a word in years called me in the middle of the night once. She had locked herself to the bathroom, and till this day she hasn't talked to me about what happened there. I took her to the ER, and then returned to get her stuff, the genius took a swing at me and I lost it completely. The only reason I have a clean record is that he didn't want the world to know he got beaten up by a girl.

That had nothing to do with self-defense, I can after all these years admit my motive was pure revenge. Still, I took no action against him while the true victim was present. I like to think over all I have control over my actions, and that in times of crises, I still try to keep a clear head.

My first priority is the victim. Never revenge. I like to think that my personality will not change completely just because it is my child is the one suffering.

As for the mentioning of the tiny sound conflict in our house, I would say passive aggressive route taken there is no way comparable to a situation described in the ot.

...as to your final statement, neither is your example.

[Amirsm3]

Originally Posted by m3ray

You’re right. The father who had just witnessed an abuser raping his son should have just invited him to sit down for a cup of tea and “talk it over”. What planet are you from?

The flaw in your logic is thinking that pedophiles are human beings. They are sub-humans who prey on the most helpless victims, children. In almost every case the trauma for the children is so severe that the abuse goes unreported to parents, teachers, and friends for months or even years, as was the case here.

Add to which the father walked in while the abuser was in the act. He was completely justified in doing what he did to protect his son. He did not beat him up after the fact in a vengeful fit of rage, which imo should be justified as well.

This. The father didn't go on some homicidal rampage, he was protecting his son. He didn't kill the son of a bitch, so I guess you can say he has a shred of the "humanity" that Lups has.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Lups

My point was, that that is the time the victim needs the people she of he loves the most. Time for revenge is never that.

That's the issue with your logic. This isn't a situation that revolves around revenge. Acts of Passion never are. This was a spontaneous action.

[Amirsm3]

Originally Posted by Lups

My point was, that that is the time the victim needs the people she of he loves the most. Time for revenge is never that.

The father was there when his child needed him most.

[Amirsm3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's the issue with your logic. This isn't a situation that revolves around revenge. Acts of Passion never are. This was a spontaneous action.

One could almost argue a natural reflex of a good parent.