[Bowser330]

Supposedly these prices are before the State & Federal EV incentives.
Example: California provides $2,500 + Federal $7,500 = $10,000 incentive

$60K - $10K = $50K (before additional options)
300 mile range
20" wheels
Luxury trim
Air Suspension
Sports Seats
0-60 in 3.1 seconds



your thoughts?

[Reach]

My thoughts on all Tesla "performance" figures... it's a one trick pony. That trick is the hole-shot, so it's a pretty damn good trick, but the Model S doesn't exactly drive like a sports car.

[AlpineE92M3]

Although these type of cars are the "future" of performance luxury vehicles, I don't think I'm quite ready and sold on the idea of an all electric car. Especially around my area where charging stations are sparce, and the infrastructure is not there yet. Maybe in 10 years I will reconsider...

[Xtabi]

Here are my thoughts on the incentive you listed that I stole from a website:

Where things begin to get interesting is in the federal tax credit for EV buyers. The US government offers a credit of $7,500 for people who buy a battery electric vehicle. According to the law, however, those credits are limited to 200,000 units per manufacturer, which Electrek expects Tesla to hit in 2018. After the end of that quarter, the credit drops to $3,750 for six months, and then drops again to $1,875 for the six months following that before going away completely. Considering deliveries of the Model 3 are slated to begin in late 2017, only the earlier orders can be assured they'll get the full tax credit. While the main event begins on March 31, the Model 3 will be interesting to watch long after the live broadcast ends at 11:30.

[nicknaz]

Is that speculation or confirmed?

3600lb is f8x weight and I get 20mpg combined (ie about 280mi range before fuel light comes on) so those #s are very comparable for me.

If true that is very impressive and had my attention

The middle trim is actually super interesting as a non M 3er commuter alternative

[Bowser330]

I was sent the screen shot from someone who monitors the ev industry closely, owns two Ev's and has built his own ev level 2 charger, etc, etc. He is also planning on putting a deposit down on the model 3 once the specs are fully public. He didn't say where he got the screenshot.

[BwoodBMW]

This actually looks legit, about what I would expect and the way they write model III has to be them, they are still mad they couldn't call it model E

[David70]

I take the above as speculation until I see a reliable source but going on speculation -

With a split of starting price of $35k and top line spec of $60k I would expect similar car differences of a base BMW 320 compared to a full spec, everything on it BMW 335. A base 320 not being something I would want to own so realistically looking at a $44k car before tax incentives which from above look like at least Federal might be coming to an end. It will be interesting to see what the market is, what you actually get, what it looks like, and if they hit the prices above.

[zer0cool]

These are pure speculation. The numbers don't really work out.

There's no way a car with 66kwh can be that light, just look at the 70D or original 60 and their weight. Battery tech hasn't been revolutionized.

Also there's no way a performance Model 3 can match the performance of a 90D let alone P90D, even accounting for weight differences, as long as it has a lower energy battery. This is because battery voltages are different when their kwh is different. The 70D uses the same engines as the 90D yet is slower because its battery voltage is lower. There's no way for a <70kwh battery to output the necessary power to let a car accelerate that fast.

There's a reason why cars like the Volt or Bolt are fairly slow. This is due to the limitations of battery, weight, cost, engine HP, and just how much voltage such a battery can output. Yes, a smaller and lighter car may have more mileage, but it can't just get more power...

Even if they install the dual 70D motors on the top-end model 3, it can't output more than the current 3xx HP... So a 3 series sized car with similar power but more weight, well you can calculate the acceleration.

[MightyMouseTech]

Would love to have a 366D.

[yousefnjr]

Wow, fast, and lighter than I would've guessed. Base model lighter than my Z!

[Never_Enough]

3.1, sweet. I'm just hoping Tesla stock shoots way up on the 31st when the Model 3 is unveiled. I'm cashing out.

[fecurtis]

Cloth seats??????

[Pheonix]

The ranges are pretty impressive for the size of the batteries (if those numbers are real). I have a 2016 VW eGolf with a 24.2KWH battery and the range is only 86 miles. Also, those ranges are assuming you are direct like a turtle at max speed of 55mph, on flat road and not using anything like Heat/AC, defroster and on and on.
The acceleration numbers are pretty impressive as well. However, the battery will probably drain pretty quickly everytime you slam on the pedal to get the specified Acceleration (ask me how i know).

[Nitrousbird]

If an electric made financial sense, I could easily see owning one or two in my household.

For my wife, and electric makes perfect sense. She basically uses her car for to/from work and local errands. Hell, she could charge each night on a 120v, 15a and be fine.

For me, I use my truck for long trips, so an electric would again work well. I drive a longer distance to work in less electric friendly settings, but still would be very well within the range where I could charge every other day and be fine.

The problem with electric is the cost.

[PandaM3]

Originally Posted by Nitrousbird

If an electric made financial sense, I could easily see owning one or two in my household.

For my wife, and electric makes perfect sense. She basically uses her car for to/from work and local errands. Hell, she could charge each night on a 120v, 15a and be fine.

For me, I use my truck for long trips, so an electric would again work well. I drive a longer distance to work in less electric friendly settings, but still would be very well within the range where I could charge every other day and be fine.

The problem with electric is the cost.

I'm leasing an electric Chevy spark right now for commuting. After living with a cheap electric car for the past year I have to say it's been a surprisingly positive experience.

- don't have to worry about gas since I top it off at home and at work
- I save a lot in gas and maintenance
- I don't have to worry about any maintenance

That being said I'm really tempted to put my deposit in a model 3 on the 31st. Timing is perfect because my spark EV lease will be up by the time the model 3 delivers.

I just can't decide if I want the lowest model or the highest although it is a big price jump between the two. Also deciding if I want to lease or buy.

I'm still keeping my M3 and FJ as weekend toys.

[gtron]

Seems very light. I'll be surprised if it really weighs that much.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Nitrousbird

If an electric made financial sense, I could easily see owning one or two in my household.

For my wife, and electric makes perfect sense. She basically uses her car for to/from work and local errands. Hell, she could charge each night on a 120v, 15a and be fine.

For me, I use my truck for long trips, so an electric would again work well. I drive a longer distance to work in less electric friendly settings, but still would be very well within the range where I could charge every other day and be fine.

The problem with electric is the cost.

It's a total cost that is the problem with electric. You typically need to go 200k for the savings to make sense even with a hybrid vs a normal similar gas version.

[David70]

I also agree about the cost. Do it if you like the car, the performance, feel good about driving an electric or whatever the reason, but with gas prices where they are now it currently doesn't make financial sense.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....37233&id=36852

15k miles a year 45% hwy, 55% city

Tesla Model S = $750 a year in fuel cost
Honda Accord = $1000 a year in fuel cost
BMW 328i = $1350 a year in fuel cost

[Fundguy1]

I'm curious. If you run out of gas on say a highway in the middle of nowhere, you can call AAA etc and they come with a gas can of gas. What do you do if the electric dies?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I'm curious. If you run out of gas on say a highway in the middle of nowhere, you can call AAA etc and they come with a gas can of gas. What do you do if the electric dies?

Diesel-powered F650 flatbed tow truck...

[Fundguy1]

That's what I thought.