[Llarry]

Per Kelly Blue Book:
1) Ford F-series pickup 750,789 units
2) Chevrolet Silverado pickup 543,319 units
3) Ram pickup 444,926 units
4) Toyota RAV4 434,943 units
5) Tesla Model Y 385,900 units
6) Honda CR-V 361,457 units
7) GMC Sierra pickup 295,737 units
8) Toyota Camry (a car!) 290,649 units
9) Nissan Rogue 271,458 units
10) Jeep Grand Cherokee 244,594 units

That's an awful lot of pickup trucks!

[dreamingat30fps]

I loved my F150. Super practical, comfortable, higher trims have all the luxury car features even the ride wasn't bad. If you can only have 1 vehicle I think it's a great choice... the only downside is the size, but if you live somewhere that having a large vehicle is not an issue then IMO it's a perfect single vehicle.

The RAV4 on the other hand.... fuck I hate that thing. At least the base trim is soooo god awfully slow it's dangerous.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Per Kelly Blue Book:
1) Ford F-series pickup 750,789 units
2) Chevrolet Silverado pickup 543,319 units
3) Ram pickup 444,926 units
4) Toyota RAV4 434,943 units
5) Tesla Model Y 385,900 units
6) Honda CR-V 361,457 units
7) GMC Sierra pickup 295,737 units
8) Toyota Camry (a car!) 290,649 units
9) Nissan Rogue 271,458 units
10) Jeep Grand Cherokee 244,594 units

That's an awful lot of pickup trucks!

I have 5 vehicles. All different variants, a sports coupe, roadster, ORV, 4-door sedan, and a 4-door pickup. But if I had to whittle down to just one vehicle, I'd pick the mid-sized 4-door pickup (with a V8). It does everything with little compromise. It is understandable why pickup trucks are the most selling vehicle in the market.

[c1pher]

I may have to retire sooner than I wanted to. My F250 would be the only vehicle I keep if it comes to that. It doesn’t ride as nice as an F150, but I did add softer rear shackles and that really improved the ride. It does everything except sip gas and the seats are almost like BarcaLoungers.

[XutvJet]

I'm looking to sell my M235 and replace it with a single cab, short bed 2wd 2024 F150 XL which only comes with the 5.0 V8, 10 speed auto, and 3.73 LSD. All 2024 F150 get LED headlights, 12" screens, and such. The MSRP on the truck is like $37K but most can be had for $35ish. All have to be ordered as the dealers aren't allowed to order them for themselves.

I'd then add the nicer XLT/Lariat door cards, leather XLT/Lariat steering wheel, some sort of intake manifold, muffler, Ford Performance drop/leveling kit, 20" wheels and tires, and have an upper 12 second truck. Never had a truck before. My other car is a 2011 Cayman so I'd still have a sportscar.

[pbonsalb]

I have no interest in any of those cars but there are some quality practical ones on the list. Members of my family have had 3 generations of Honda CRV and they have all been great cars although far from exciting or fun to drive.

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I have no interest in any of those cars but there are some quality practical ones on the list. Members of my family have had 3 generations of Honda CRV and they have all been great cars although far from exciting or fun to drive.

When my daughter -- who views vehicles as appliances -- asked her car guy Dad for an opinion on buying a new-to-her car, I had no problem recommending a RAV4 that she'd looked at. Like you, nothing on the list interests me. I wouldn't have a problem recommending a CR-V either. Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda -- all fine choices. (Actually it's been years since I drove a Mazda and I note that Car and Driver magazine consistently rates them as a driver's car.)

As someone who lives on rural acreage, I do own a pickup truck, but I deliberately chose a Honda Ridgeline which does not have the "tough truck" image hoping that would make it easier for my wife to drive it. I don't put many miles on it.

[Llarry]

Considering the reaction to my original post, I suppose I should post the rest of the top-selling 25 vehicles in the USA; so, picking up with #11:
11) Toyota Tacoma 234,768
12) Tesla Model 3 232,700
13) Toyota Corolla 232,370
14) Chevrolet Equinox 212,701
15) Hyundai Tucson 209,624
16) Honda Civic 200,381
17) Honda Accord 197,947
18) Ford Explorer 186,799
19) Toyota Highlander 169,543
20) Subaru Outback 161,814
21) Subaru Crosstrek 159,193
22) Jeep Wrangler 156,581
23) Mazda CX-5 153,808
24) Subaru Forester 152,566
25) Ford Escape 140,968

Oddly enough, not a single BMW made the list.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Considering the reaction to my original post, I suppose I should post the rest of the top-selling 25 vehicles in the USA; so, picking up with #11:
11) Toyota Tacoma 234,768
12) Tesla Model 3 232,700
13) Toyota Corolla 232,370
14) Chevrolet Equinox 212,701
15) Hyundai Tucson 209,624
16) Honda Civic 200,381
17) Honda Accord 197,947
18) Ford Explorer 186,799
19) Toyota Highlander 169,543
20) Subaru Outback 161,814
21) Subaru Crosstrek 159,193
22) Jeep Wrangler 156,581
23) Mazda CX-5 153,808
24) Subaru Forester 152,566
25) Ford Escape 140,968

Oddly enough, not a single BMW made the list.

Im surprised there aren't more Hyundais on the list. I feel like I see Hyundais everywhere around here.

[bosstones]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Oddly enough, not a single BMW made the list.

Perhaps an effect of having spread out across so many more 'series'?

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Per Kelly Blue Book:
1) Ford F-series pickup 750,789 units
2) Chevrolet Silverado pickup 543,319 units
3) Ram pickup 444,926 units
4) Toyota RAV4 434,943 units
5) Tesla Model Y 385,900 units
6) Honda CR-V 361,457 units
7) GMC Sierra pickup 295,737 units
8) Toyota Camry (a car!) 290,649 units
9) Nissan Rogue 271,458 units
10) Jeep Grand Cherokee 244,594 units

That's an awful lot of pickup trucks!

Terrible just terrible. Normal size vehicles are a thing of the past. Dumb schmucks think bigger is better.

[MassWholeBimmer]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible just terrible. Normal size vehicles are a thing of the past. Dumb schmucks think bigger is better.

Not always... Granted many folks have penis syndrome with big trucks, as I see F250's with a chrome trailer hitch that never pulled anything, but for me, if I could only keep one vehicle, the BMW or my F150, bimmer is gone..

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Terrible just terrible. Normal size vehicles are a thing of the past. Dumb schmucks think bigger is better.

Depends on what it's for... bigger can indeed be better. Had an F150 which I bought to pull our 28' travel trailer. Did great, loved it. Got a 32' travel trailer that on paper wasn't much heavier than the 28' one. The F150 hauled that bitch from FL to Maine and back... but it protested the entire way. Tried different hitches, special springs etc nothing really helped. Went bigger with F350 and resolved all the issues. Can also fit standard 8' long lumber in the bed with the tailgate and tonneau closed.

[M-technik-3]

F150 are nice trcks and I get why they sell so well. In my current point in life I don't need aa truck.

[Alfisti]

Man those are some big-ass vehicles. Unless one is towing or regularly carting large loads, i've never really understood the whole truck thing. Each to his own but i've just never seen a need for one and they are a pain to park and are thirsty.

I rented a RAV4 for 2 weeks and other than the typical newer car annoyances (beeps and warnings and self-drive annoyances drive me utterly insane), the vehicle was a near perfect family hauler for a reasonable price. Yes the 2.5 litre 4 banger makes a lot of noise but floor it and it goes fast enough, this whole idea anything with less than a 0-100 of under 6 seconds is dangerous doe my head in, it was fine. Would i prefer an X5? yeah probably, for damn near double the price, yeah nah.

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Depends on what it's for... bigger can indeed be better. Had an F150 which I bought to pull our 28' travel trailer. Did great, loved it. Got a 32' travel trailer that on paper wasn't much heavier than the 28' one. The F150 hauled that bitch from FL to Maine and back... but it protested the entire way. Tried different hitches, special springs etc nothing really helped. Went bigger with F350 and resolved all the issues. Can also fit standard 8' long lumber in the bed with the tailgate and tonneau closed.

An apples to oranges comparison, but I went without a pickup for many years (2004-2022) with a Sprinter van. Economical Turbodiesel and I could fit 16 foot (!) lumber inside that sucker in rainy Oregon and get it home dry. I could load llamas into the back as well. Over the years, vans kept getting more powerful and less reliable. I started getting nervous about my old -- but low mileage -- van and decided to get something my wife would drive. (She was intimidated by the size of the Sprinter, which actually was pretty easy to drive.) Add in that the resale on the old van was pretty amazing and I made the switch to a pickup.

But I do not tow -- if I did I would've been in a domestic-brand pickup (or maybe a Tundra) all these years.

[Bc2005]

I decided to get a RAV4 prime because the lease incentive was so high ($6,600) right now. I have the higher XSE trim, so it has all the bells and whistles of most luxury cars.

RAV4 Prime is a plug-in hybrid, but it also has a much more powerful gas/ICE engine combination that totals 302 horsepower. Not quite BMW speed, but it’s definitely not slow. It has acceleration when you need it (0-60 about 5.7 seconds).

We get 45-47 miles on a charge, which covers most of our daily driving, and it’s completely smooth and quiet. On longer trips the ICE kicks in, and it’s not the smoothest and quietest ICE engine, but it works fine. Gas tank is 14 gallons, so it has plenty of range on ICE engine.

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Oddly enough, not a single BMW made the list.

Actually, not even one European car in the top 20, that's really crazy. Probably not that surprising for American people, but for me as an European it is (although I knew that there certainly will be a ton of US and Asian cars in the list).

[Drv4fun]

Only 395k BMWs and Mini sold in USA in 2023.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ts?language=en

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Drv4fun

Only 395k BMWs and Mini sold in USA in 2023.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ts?language=en

That's still far more than the next highest selling luxury brand.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/best...-america-2023/

In terms of premium and luxury vehicles, America in 2023 belonged to the Germans, with BMW (351,558 sold), Mercedes-Benz (287,390 sold), and Audi (227,275 sold) all comfortably out-performing Cadillac (146,539 sold) and Lincoln (78,899 sold).

[BlkGS]

I had an f150 a few years ago. It was great, other than the fact that I bought one with the fx4 suspension which was the "off-road" one. It was floaty.garbage. It did almost everything else amazing though. Mine was the coyote 5.0 with 3.55s and the old 6 speed transmission. It was quick for a truck (you can Whipple them and make 700-800 HP that drives like stock and is super reliable), would do 22-23 mpg highway at 80 with elevation changes, super luxurious, super spacious, towed and hauled anything I needed. My only complaint (besides the suspension and how tall it was) is the rear sliding window. It's a cutout in the f150 now, so you cant slide stuff through it (long deck boards, etc). I eventually replaced it with a much smaller and cheaper colorado and it was actually more useful for stuff like that.

My X5 M50i was a cheaper alternative to another F150. It has it's perks, but was definitely chosen because it was going to cost less than the truck I wanted. I will most likely replace it with an f150 with ridetech suspension and a Whipple.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I had an f150 a few years ago. It was great, other than the fact that I bought one with the fx4 suspension which was the "off-road" one. It was floaty.garbage. It did almost everything else amazing though. Mine was the coyote 5.0 with 3.55s and the old 6 speed transmission. It was quick for a truck (you can Whipple them and make 700-800 HP that drives like stock and is super reliable), would do 22-23 mpg highway at 80 with elevation changes, super luxurious, super spacious, towed and hauled anything I needed. My only complaint (besides the suspension and how tall it was) is the rear sliding window. It's a cutout in the f150 now, so you cant slide stuff through it (long deck boards, etc). I eventually replaced it with a much smaller and cheaper colorado and it was actually more useful for stuff like that.

It's interesting to hear that so many current BMW owners of relatively new models have had or currently have F150s and how many of those owners loved those trucks. The F150s, even the 2024s, are a huge difference when it comes to quality control and general feel of materials. I constantly go back and forth with myself about if I could handle owning an F150 after drinking the German car koolaid for so long I went and looked at new F150s yesterday and was a bit surprised by how bad the exterior panel fitment was on the trucks. You'd think with how many they sell, they could address that. I probably wouldn't be too upset as I'm looking to order a bare bones V8 2WD single cab XL for mid $30s, but I'd be pissed if I was spending $50-70K which is what most of those trucks are listed at.....which is bonkers.