[1dopem5]

Alrite we all know :
ITS HEAVY, MAYBE SLOW (0-60 times), MAYBE UGLY FOR SOME, OR WHATEVER.

All I hear is complain from all of you, but looks like you geniuses(who are complain boxes) don't realize its a HYBRID, its has independent multi link suspension etc. OF COURSE its gonna be heavy, unless you have a better option to bring the weight down, i dont think you have. BMW KNOWS BETTER THAN ALL OF US.

Its so easy to write off just coz BMW claimed the 0-60 times, and none of you have driven it yet. We all know BMW under claims their numbers.
AND in reality are you doing launches everyday? I dont think so. GROW UP AND STOP WHINING.

THE REALITY IS NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE COMPLAIN , NOTHING WILL CHANGE, YOU BUY IT OR DONT BUY IT , THATS ON YOU. ATLEAST IT DOESNT HAVE A 4 CYL ENGINE LIKE MERCEDES. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYONE.
I KNOW FOR A FACT HALF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING WILL OWN IT.

[footie]

As an i5M60 owner and previously owned the last M5 Competition I was a little shock to see it was the same weight as my car. I am sure it will be decent enough and do everything ask of it but I suppose as many on here have remarked this is hardly moving the game on.

I look at the new 992 Carrera GTS and think this is how you adapt to include Hybrid technology.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

Alrite we all know :
ITS HEAVY, MAYBE SLOW (0-60 times), MAYBE UGLY FOR SOME, OR WHATEVER.

All I hear is complain from all of you, but looks like you geniuses(who are complain boxes) don't realize its a HYBRID, its has independent multi link suspension etc. OF COURSE its gonna be heavy, unless you have a better option to bring the weight down, i dont think you have. BMW KNOWS BETTER THAN ALL OF US.

I think the "geniuses" at Porsche did indeed figure out how to make a new-gen Hybrid that doesn't weigh an extra thousand pounds.

Starting this off with a "its heavy, maybe slow" in all caps and then proceeding to lecture the consumers on why they're the idiots is just a another level of blind devotion to a brand that's just phoning it in at this point.

[ledphut]

Sounds like one of the failed marketing guys at BMW has an account on here!

Is BMW paying you for this post or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

I’m not going to waste a bunch of my time refuting every “point” you made, but know this: customer feedback actually does matter! Ask Mercedes about their new C63. Or better yet, the XM development team which surely is looking for new jobs after the dumpster fire they created is getting axed before getting an LCI.

[gblansten]

The copium is flowing heavily here.

[Remigijus]

It's always that way, no? Everyone complains, just bitching around, trying to nitpick on everything. And most of them just pouring shit and they won't get M5 in a million years. Same happened with M3, now everyone is buying them anyway. No matter how it looks.

I like the styling of it, especially the touring version (not much to imagine, already saw recent renders)

What I don't like - the quality and options like soft close doors, worse sound system, and in general downgrade in the interior (comparing with i5 M60), but that thing looks like a beast in the exterior.

Let's wait and see.

Oh, we have lots of rants about Audi's recent facelifts, and badges and doubt that Audi would change that.

[1dopem5]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

It's always that way, no? Everyone complains, just bitching around, trying to nitpick on everything. And most of them just pouring shit and they won't get M5 in a million years. Same happened with M3, now everyone is buying them anyway. No matter how it looks.

I like the styling of it, especially the touring version (not much to imagine, already saw recent renders)

What I don't like - the quality and options like soft close doors, worse sound system, and in general downgrade in the interior (comparing with i5 M60), but that thing looks like a beast in the exterior.

Let's wait and see.

Oh, we have lots of rants about Audi's recent facelifts, and badges and doubt that Audi would change that.

Very Well Said.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

I know facts hurt you. LOL
I can say what i want, as you can. Doesnt change a thing .

Sorry, I may be misunderstanding your understanding of how forums operate. I don't believe anyone in here comes to incite change or for that matter, tell others what they can and can't say. We're all just expressing how we feel, with no one's opinion more valid than the other.

Not sure anywhere in my post I said you can't share your opinion. I was merely stating that, to me, your opinion comes off as blind devotion.

You should absolutely say what you want to say. If anything, you should say what you need to say. Walking like a one man army. Fighting with the shadows in your head. Living out the same old moment. Knowing you'd be better off instead. If you could only...say what you need to say.

[CarlosM4]

The new G90 M5, appeals to influencers, the people who like hype and the newest stuff. If you are a driver and want a drivers car, this is not the car for you.

And that is what bummed people out

[XM Label]

It’s going to be a great daily driver.

[overcooked]

It’s the same weight as a x5m, I’ll just buy a x5m, don’t need all that hybrid crap

[1dopem5]

Originally Posted by overcooked

It’s the same weight as a x5m, I’ll just buy a x5m, don’t need all that hybrid crap

Definitely a personal choice

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by XM Label

It’s going to be a great daily driver.

Agree, especially the touring.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by overcooked

It’s the same weight as a x5m, I’ll just buy a x5m, don’t need all that hybrid crap

Yup. No need to install a charger in your house.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

Starting this off with a "its heavy, maybe slow" in all caps and then proceeding to lecture the consumers on why they're the idiots is just a another level of blind devotion to a brand that's just phoning it in at this point.

The new M5 is clearly taking FDA-approved Lizzo.

South Park Lizzo Commerical

[EUPremier]

I’m delighted with the setup as it makes the car ‘affordable’ in markets where vehicular taxes are CO2-based, like mine!
Nobody has complained about the car’s track performance on any of the videos I’ve seen.
Also, I currently drive the G30 545e which is also heavy, has a single turbo B58 engine and it’s a cracking car.
Any of you who are bemoaning the hybrid but haven’t driven a BMW PHEV really need to cool your jets. It provides huge and instantaneous torque.
So, I’m okay with the drivetrain.
If reports of a hollowed-out audio system are true… that’s annoying. I like my beats.
But overall, I’m a very happy camper having ordered one and looking forward to its delivery next January.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

I’m delighted with the setup as it makes the car ‘affordable’ in markets where vehicular taxes are CO2-based, like mine!
Nobody has complained about the car’s track performance on any of the videos I’ve seen.
Also, I currently drive the G30 545e which is also heavy, has a single turbo B58 engine and it’s a cracking car.
Any of you who are bemoaning the hybrid but haven’t driven a BMW PHEV really need to cool your jets. It provides huge and instantaneous torque.
So, I’m okay with the drivetrain.
If reports of a hollowed-out audio system are true… that’s annoying. I like my beats.
But overall, I’m a very happy camper having ordered one and looking forward to its delivery next January.

I’m sorry you live in a Marxist state in whatever country in the eu you obviously are but that doesn’t mean they should ruin the car for everyone else. Especially for the biggest market which is the us.

The reason no one had complained about the on track performance because the you tube reviewers they invited are all fanboys. Think about it. BMW paid dirt their trips and invited those specific people for a reason. They want to get invited to the next event. You really think you are going to get any honest assessment from them? Come on dude. Think for a second.

They absolutely ruined the car with this hybrid cars crap. There was absolutely no reason to do it this way. Porsche had just proven that you can absolutely do a hybrid setup properly and with the enthusiast in mind and actually add performance not take it away. Imagine that? BMW blew this completely. And j yes it will sell decent amount but I promise you real purists will not be buying it. And they will fix the next iteration of this car. Sadly we’ll have to wait years for that.

[hufington]

This forum is a valuable platform where BMW enthusiasts share and exchange their opinions. No need to criticize people for not liking what is offered and trying to force them to accept your reality.

I remember that the same type of posters appeared out of no where and tried to silence all the others who did not like the XM when it came out first. Now, you see what happened to that "top dog BMW" despite all marketing efforts of BMW.

Exercise respect and emphaty.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

I think the "geniuses" at Porsche did indeed figure out how to make a new-gen Hybrid that doesn't weigh an extra thousand pounds.

Starting this off with a "its heavy, maybe slow" in all caps and then proceeding to lecture the consumers on why they're the idiots is just a another level of blind devotion to a brand that's just phoning it in at this point.

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

. Porsche had just proven that you can absolutely do a hybrid setup properly and with the enthusiast in mind and actually add performance not take it away. Imagine that? BMW blew this completely. And j yes it will sell decent amount but I promise you real purists will not be buying it. And they will fix the next iteration of this car. Sadly we’ll have to wait years for that.

Just for S&G's I looked up the closest competitor, the Panamera Turbo EHybrid. Anyone saying Porsche did it way lighter thinking of the 911 is comparing apples and raisins.

Porsche Panamera

Max engine power: 512 HP
Max Engine Torque: 567 lb-ft
Mex electric power: 187 HP
Max electric torque: 331 lb-ft
Max combined power: 670 HP
Max combined torque: 685 lb-ft

0-60 3.0s with sport chrono
1/4 Mile 11.3s with sport chrono

Length: 199.0 in
Width: 85.2in (76.3 w/ mirrors folded)
Wheelbase: 116.1 in
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs
Max load: 937 lbs
GVWR: 6,239 lbs

vs.

G90 M5

Porsche Panamera

Max engine power: 577 HP
Max Engine Torque: 553 lb-ft
Mex electric power: 194 HP
Max electric torque: 207 lb-ft
Max combined power: 717 HP
Max combined torque: 738 lb-ft

0-60 3.4s


Length: 200.6in
Width: 77.6in (suspect this is also mirrors folded)
Wheelbase: 118.3
Curb weight: 5,390 lbs
Max load: (not given, extrapolated from GVWR-Curb Weight) 1,092 lbs
GVWR: 6,482 lbs

So 88 lbs heavier. Bigger wheelbase!! Same length. More power. More torque. Less electric torque 0.4 seconds slower.

Car and Driver says Porsche is sandbagging as usual. BMW probably also. Would expect the PDK in the Panny to be worth at least 0.2 seconds for full clutch dump launch anyway. Also the larger electric torque gives the Panny a further advantage. Suspect 5-60, 50-100 and other in gear times will be within a whisker of each other.

So no, Porsche has not engineered a next gen hybrid system 1,000 lbs lighter. Not when comparing apples to apples.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

I’m sorry you live in a Marxist state in whatever country in the eu you obviously are but that doesn’t mean they should ruin the car for everyone else. Especially for the biggest market which is the us.

The reason no one had complained about the on track performance because the you tube reviewers they invited are all fanboys. Think about it. BMW paid dirt their trips and invited those specific people for a reason. They want to get invited to the next event. You really think you are going to get any honest assessment from them? Come on dude. Think for a second.

They absolutely ruined the car with this hybrid cars crap. There was absolutely no reason to do it this way. Porsche had just proven that you can absolutely do a hybrid setup properly and with the enthusiast in mind and actually add performance not take it away. Imagine that? BMW blew this completely. And j yes it will sell decent amount but I promise you real purists will not be buying it. And they will fix the next iteration of this car. Sadly we’ll have to wait years for that.

Last time I checked, Ireland was not Communist, but thanks for giving me the heads-up.

You’re also wrong about BMW’s biggest market …which is the EU and it dwarfs the US by 2.5x … 950,000 units Vs 395,000.

Second place goes to China, itself over 2x U.S.

… so if it’s a numbers game, BMW has to build cars to comply with regulation in its most important markets. I’m not saying that the US market is unimportant but emissions are an issue everywhere and despite Trump II, emissions are likely to become stricter even in the US.

If your vehicle is measured by the sole metric of driving dynamics then M2C wins it. I’ve driven it. It’s great. But it’s no good for the several other factors I must consider.

As I stated in an earlier post, I already drive a BMW PHEV and it’s great.

The new M5 can only improve on this.
So, I’ve ordered one.

[Derived]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Just for S&G's I looked up the closest competitor, the Panamera Turbo EHybrid. Anyone saying Porsche did it way lighter thinking of the 911 is comparing apples and raisins.

Porsche Panamera

Max engine power: 512 HP
Max Engine Torque: 567 lb-ft
Mex electric power: 187 HP
Max electric torque: 331 lb-ft
Max combined power: 670 HP
Max combined torque: 685 lb-ft

0-60 3.0s with sport chrono
1/4 Mile 11.3s with sport chrono

Length: 199.0 in
Width: 85.2in (76.3 w/ mirrors folded)
Wheelbase: 116.1 in
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs
Max load: 937 lbs
GVWR: 6,239 lbs

vs.

G90 M5

Porsche Panamera

Max engine power: 577 HP
Max Engine Torque: 553 lb-ft
Mex electric power: 194 HP
Max electric torque: 207 lb-ft
Max combined power: 717 HP
Max combined torque: 738 lb-ft

0-60 3.4s


Length: 200.6in
Width: 77.6in (suspect this is also mirrors folded)
Wheelbase: 118.3
Curb weight: 5,390 lbs
Max load: (not given, extrapolated from GVWR-Curb Weight) 1,092 lbs
GVWR: 6,482 lbs

So 88 lbs heavier. Bigger wheelbase!! Same length. More power. More torque. Less electric torque 0.4 seconds slower.

Car and Driver says Porsche is sandbagging as usual. BMW probably also. Would expect the PDK in the Panny to be worth at least 0.2 seconds for full clutch dump launch anyway. Also the larger electric torque gives the Panny a further advantage. Suspect 5-60, 50-100 and other in gear times will be within a whisker of each other.

So no, Porsche has not engineered a next gen hybrid system 1,000 lbs lighter. Not when comparing apples to apples.

Makes no sense to compare the M5 to the Panamera, the Panamera is a vastly superior car that shares a platform with the Flying Spur and absolutely feels it...the M5 will not even begin to compare in terms of build quality, materials, NVH levels, comfort, and probably not reliability either. I've driven a Turbo S E-Hybrid Panamera and it was an extremely impressive car. Especially considering what the car's intent is. Somehow I don't think the same will be said of the M5.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Derived

Makes no sense to compare the M5 to the Panamera, the Panamera is a vastly superior car that shares a platform with the Flying Spur and absolutely feels it...the M5 will not even begin to compare in terms of build quality, materials, NVH levels, comfort, and probably not reliability either. I've driven a Turbo S E-Hybrid Panamera and it was an extremely impressive car. Especially considering what the car's intent is. Somehow I don't think the same will be said of the M5.

You are missing the point.

The cars are within spitting distance of measurement, weight and power. This is the comparison. Not how they are finished. Yes, the Panamera is more expensively trimmed and can be had with fancier suspension. Oh, I should say, the Turbo Hybrid comes with standard air suspension which makes the steel sprung G90 look even more bloated.

But it's not like they are in different classes. The Panamera was always billed as an S class but it only was S class in price, not in space. Having been a Porsche owner for over a decade now, I've had plenty of Panamera loaners and driven a few Turbos (no Turbo Hybrid, cannot compare) but I do own a Cayenne Hybrid so I know how their hybrid tech is calibrated and it is not a big car. In fact, I think my M3 trumps it on rear seat room. Honestly. Besides, as lovely of a platform as the Panamera is, I don't think the G90 is going to be some poor relation. I've not driven the current 5 but given the way my G80 drives, I don't think you'd drive the Panamera and the G90 back to back and say "the G90 clearly doesn't belong here".

So "makes no sense" from a market and price point perspective, but makes every bit of sense from an engineering perspective. Which, when discussing weight, is the point of the discussion. And more to the point, my post was in response to those who have said "Porsche has figured out a way to do it 1,000 lbs lighter". Uh, no, clearly they have not.