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Car and Driver - positive review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ototype-drive/
Notorious BMW haters, Black wing lovers, like it. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ototype-drive/ "If performance is mind-warpingly abundant, perhaps more surprising is just how dexterously the Touring handles, even with suspension settings that aren't quite there yet. Like the M2, M3, and M4, there's a pliant, planted, and, above all, calm feel in a straight line, like you could release the wheel and it'd track true for miles."
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Positive from those who have...negative from those who have not.....
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Car And Driver review on track was very underwhelming. On road, they have a different view.
Let's wait and see, we will probably have comparos on Q3, and people who have migrated from competitors, allowing us to see how good the car really is. I believe it will drive well (BMW M would never put an M badge on nothing that drove awfully), but I have really big doubts on terms of how it will feel, and how it will compare to the RS6 C8, M5 F90, E63 W213. My guess is that it will be worse. |
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I want a fast family hauler that will feel “sporty” since I don’t have room for a second vehicle. I would love an Alpina version rather than an M5 honestly, but in the US that isn’t an option. I have seen M5’s at drag strips and runway rolls more often than I have seen them at track days on road courses. To me it doesn’t seem like the M5 buyer is interested in on-track performance anymore. |
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A car's handling on track is a good insight on how it will handle when driven hard outside of the track environment. And at 2,5 tonnes, there is so much electronics and technology can do. |
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I disagree about the track time being a good test of the car in the real world. Sure, cornering stresses are there, and you can get an idea of how the car handles its weight. But all we’ve seen of the M5 is those silly studio walkarounds, and then the carefully managed laps around Salzburgring, which I think is chosen because it is a fast track without a lot of tight turns which reporters in a heavy car might overcook.
Where are the real world tests, on real roads that are not smooth as glass race tracks, roads with tight turns, where (frankly) you don’t really need 700+ hp? Does it handle? How is the ride quality there? Does it bottom out? I’m considering this car, despite the misguided styling of the front and rear valences, but I am not so willing to commit to placing an order without at least some real world driving test videos, much less actually getting a test drive. The M5 sedan and touring were presented right here in CA recently at Pebble Beach, but was anyone allowed to drive it? No. |
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So I know it’s not an exact comparison but weight is weight. My 23 x5mc which weighed in the same ball park felt way better obviously but still you felt the Weight. I didn’t mind it in that though since it was an SUV. This is not. So I don’t know what to say. I would love to hear what a non partial reviewer had to say. Not one that scared to tell the truth for fear of not being invited to the next bmw event. |
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08-24-2024, 01:58 AM | #13 |
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Actually, you are not in the minority because 90% of M5 owners will never take their car to the track. This is why BMW does not care much about the G90 M5's weight gain.
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Besides the point anyway. You feel the weight on every day driving track or not. Unless you’re just oblivious. Which I don’t see how anyone can be. I feel the large weight difference in cars when I drive them. |
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I don’t do track driving, but I appreciate the driving dynamics of the M5 over the 5 series cars, which is why I own one. If I did do track driving, I really don’t think an M5 would be my vehicle of choice. I mean my F10 M5 is 4300 lbs, and even on KW V3 I’m well aware the weight is there but it’s a fun time anyway on the backroads This was up from my previous sports car DDs, which were around 3200 lbs. Could be they haven’t worked out the suspension tuning for real roads yet, but got a tuning for Salzburgring, hence all the press driving took place there. I still think it odd that Pebble beach included no driving. How long is it until the first deliveries are scheduled? |
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Where were you able to get that statistic? 90 % is much more precise than others who say “nearly nobody”.
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I would think it's more like 99% of M5 owners never track them.
But, then again, 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot. |
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It’s true the XM is definitely not what I would call a gift track car. Despite the fact that bmw screaming from the roof tops about how it’s the only dedicated true M car on their line up. Built from ground up an a real M blah blah. 🙄. Things a freaking real tank. I’m still a bit sour about what they did here and i the problem is we’re going to be stuck with this hybrid heavy shit coming from bmw for the foreseeable future. Ev adoption is slowing and companies are changing direction and not dumping the baby and the bath water all in on ev like they were which is good. Problem is these things are on development pipeline for years so they can’t just swivel and change plans on a dime. Hence the g90 😑
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The XM drives well (handling/cornering) for it is weight and and being an SUV
Also braking was surprisingly good despite no ceramic on the one i drove I did not like the powertrain and it was not smooth but i know from other people that the label red was much better and i assume they fixed that with the M5 |
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Nah. Bean counters in exec level will force them to
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