[PVC]

Is anyone paying over MSRP for this car (sedan)? Is that the norm? I'm in SoCal and the dealers I've talked to are asking for 15-20k over msrp, and I'm wondering if that's all smoke...

[Crazy1323]

It all smoke. Most of the sedans seem to be selling at MSRP or a few percentage under MSRP.

[Greer]

I live in La La Land and yes many dealers here are asking over list. Go shop elsewhere and get your Beast.

[Crazy1323]

Go somewhere like Cars.com and look for M5 listing that have real pictures of the vehicle taken at the dealership. This are likely at the dealer and available for sale. I bet you can find an in stock one under MSRP without too much effort.

[soulsea]

I wouldn't buy the sedan unless it's discounted at least 5% under sticker, but probably closer to 8%. BMW forum aside, the car has low demand, is already discounted across the US, and is about to become a depreciation grenade. If I were you I'd be really aggressive calling out of town dealers with cars in inventory over the next few days as they are all highly motivated to make numbers before year's end. Use cargurus or other sites and find the cars with real pics, they're usually the ones sitting unsold in dealer lots. There's a LOT of them.

The wagon might be a different story as it seems most folks who are in on this car favor it, but time will tell on that one too.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by soulsea

I wouldn't buy the sedan unless it's discounted at least 5% under sticker, but probably closer to 8%. BMW forum aside, the car has low demand, is already discounted across the US, and is about to become a depreciation grenade. If I were you I'd be really aggressive calling out of town dealers with cars in inventory over the next few days as they are all highly motivated to make numbers before year's end. Use cargurus or other sites and find the cars with real pics, they're usually the ones sitting unsold in dealer lots. There's a LOT of them.

The wagon might be a different story as it seems most folks who are in on this car favor it, but time will tell on that one too.

you got any sources backing up the claim that it's already discounted across the U.S and is about to become a depreciation grenade?

Perhaps the most standout thing about this car is it's very competitive starting price vs it's market rivals and that's not usually the makings of a depreciation bomb but I admit I'm not a car market guru

[soulsea]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

you got any sources backing up the claim that it's already discounted across the U.S and is about to become a depreciation grenade?

You want a source with data from the future?

The source is current supply and demand, and deals that I and others I know have been offered on the sedan, and all of automotive history including previous M5s. When a car, especially one this iconic gets launched and is sitting in these numbers across dealer lots within less than a couple of months of launch it never gets better, short of a pandemic.

I'm sorry if that's unpleasant to hear, it's not personal. I've ordered the wagon and I fully expect to take a bath on it, but that doesn't mean that I won't pay as little as I can on it or share with others what reality and likely future looks like so they can do likewise.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by soulsea

I wouldn't buy the sedan unless it's discounted at least 5% under sticker, but probably closer to 8%. BMW forum aside, the car has low demand, is already discounted across the US, and is about to become a depreciation grenade. If I were you I'd be really aggressive calling out of town dealers with cars in inventory over the next few days as they are all highly motivated to make numbers before year's end. Use cargurus or other sites and find the cars with real pics, they're usually the ones sitting unsold in dealer lots. There's a LOT of them.

The wagon might be a different story as it seems most folks who are in on this car favor it, but time will tell on that one too.

Adding “depreciation grenade” to my lexicon.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by soulsea

You want a source with data from the future?

The source is current supply and demand, and deals that I and others I know have been offered on the sedan, and all of automotive history including previous M5s. When a car, especially one this iconic gets launched and is sitting in these numbers across dealer lots within less than a couple of months of launch it never gets better, short of a pandemic.

I'm sorry if that's unpleasant to hear, it's not personal. I've ordered the wagon and I fully expect to take a bath on it, but that doesn't mean that I won't pay as little as I can on it or share with others what reality and likely future looks like so they can do likewise.

lol relax man I don't care all the other shit I'm cross-shopping is way more $ out the gate, I'm just not sure how far this can drop from ~130k in the next couple years before the used market starts to gobble them up.

This car got caught in a pretty big viral hate train for awhile but you can already see it turning around as people come to their senses. Also edmunds has 13 listings total in all of Florida, most of which are "arriving soon" and only 2 have actual pictures and FL is one of BMW's biggest markets in the U.S. soo yeah I dunno.

[soulsea]

I'm pretty relaxed.

The only other upcoming car that's somewhat interesting to me enough to cross shop is the Defender Octa, which funnily enough has a BMW engine as well. I have my name on my dealer's first Edition One but every time I say the the words $175k Defender out loud I want to punch myself in the nuts, especially when they did nothing special with the interior, so I'm 99% gonna go with the Touring.

Anyway, I'm sure the OP can find a good deal on a G90 with a little legwork.

[dbru]

Originally Posted by soulsea

You want a source with data from the future?

The source is current supply and demand, and deals that I and others I know have been offered on the sedan, and all of automotive history including previous M5s. When a car, especially one this iconic gets launched and is sitting in these numbers across dealer lots within less than a couple of months of launch it never gets better, short of a pandemic.

I'm sorry if that's unpleasant to hear, it's not personal. I've ordered the wagon and I fully expect to take a bath on it, but that doesn't mean that I won't pay as little as I can on it or share with others what reality and likely future looks like so they can do likewise.

I thought you said in a previous post you paid MSRP for the wagon? I'm all for deals but you've talked about low demand since the cars release and big discounts. Can you name one dealer who will give 8% off MSRP? I certainly wouldn't pay over MSRP, but these huge discounts you've talked about just aren't there.

I called the dealer you initially recommended and they wouldn't come off MSRP at all. After calling alot of dealers I did eventually find one in the middle of Wisconsin who eventually gave me 4% off MSRP.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by soulsea

I'm pretty relaxed.

The only other upcoming car that's somewhat interesting to me enough to cross shop is the Defender Octa, which funnily enough has a BMW engine as well. I have my name on my dealer's first Edition One but every time I say the the words $175k Defender out loud I want to punch myself in the nuts, especially when they did nothing special with the interior, so I'm 99% gonna go with the Touring.

Anyway, I'm sure the OP can find a good deal on a G90 with a little legwork.

yeh the main thing I'm looking at is a panamera GTS but my preferred build is 190k and it's like.... do I really want it that badly when the G90 exists for 50-60k less. Then there's the cayenne GTS coupe for 160k but SUV so I dunno

I'll look to get msrp on a G90 from my guy at the local dealer, don't care enough to haggle a few grand off but he better not come at me with some 10-15k markup BS

[Alan l.]

Something to look at for those willing to go lower than MSRP is they are marking up the base rate for finance / lease. A lot of dealers are doing that and I had to tell my local dealer to go screw themselves when they tried to lock me in on “MSRP” but marking up whatever that rate is by 1%

Alan

[7957007]

In the end if the day, the dealership wins anyways lol

[soulsea]

Originally Posted by dbru

I thought you said in a previous post you paid MSRP for the wagon? I'm all for deals but you've talked about low demand since the cars release and big discounts. Can you name one dealer who will give 8% off MSRP? I certainly wouldn't pay over MSRP, but these huge discounts you've talked about just aren't there.

You are confusing discussions about the G90, not the G99. I never said I or anyone can currently get a wagon under sticker, only the sedan. My wagon is on order and doesn’t get built till end of April. The only thing that has been agreed on is that they won’t charge me over sticker for it. If the market for wagons at that time is below MSRP then I will certainly negotiate the best deal I can, or just walk away from it. The dealer is a friend of mine anyway and I’m sure we’ll be able to figure it out, but I also did a conservative build with his approval in case I pass as I don’t want to leave him with a lime green car or whatnot on inventory. In any case just like with the Audi the wagon demand will likely be stronger than the sedan, so the depreciation is likely to be less steep, but it will be there.

I called the dealer you initially recommended and they wouldn't come off MSRP at all. After calling alot of dealers I did eventually find one in the middle of Wisconsin who eventually gave me 4% off MSRP.

I didn’t recommend any dealer to you, I simply posted the fact that my local dealer offered me their first G90 at sticker and I passed, and that the car sat there unsold for weeks. You contacted me and asked me which dealer and I told you my local Hendrick one, which so far as I know is an MSRP or below dealer by corporate policy. I was surprised, to be diplomatic, when you told me that they asked you for $10k over as none of their dealerships did that even in the midst of the pandemic. My suspicion is that they just wanted to sell it to a local customer, which they eventually did.

As far as discounts, your purchase is proof of it. When a dealer is discounting a car 4% when the vehicle is first launched it’s only going to go down from there, it’s only a matter of pace and steepness, and I don’t have a crystal ball to know the plot of that graph, other than to say that 4% right off the bat doesn’t bode well for said steepness. All I said to the OP is to do exactly what you did and seek out at least a 5% discount in today’s market, your purchase is right along those lines so you are the data point.

Here’s an idea, instead of worrying about what I’ve said and how much I pay for things, you share the dealer you got the car from with the OP and the rest of the forum … I’m sure they’d appreciate your help in saving themselves some money and the dealer will appreciate the extra business.

[M6-Coupe]

That’s SoCal business plan to take advantage of honeymoon party with markup. Wait couple months and they will offer you 10k discount on the same car LOL

[carbonfiber1]

The cars.com listing shows cars even if they are already sold just FYI. Both of my VINs (M5/M3) showed up as available at the dealership on a google search.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by carbonfiber1

The cars.com listing shows cars even if they are already sold just FYI. Both of my VINs (M5/M3) showed up as available at the dealership on a google search.

This is why I recommend only looking at the listing with real pictures taken at the dealership. No one is going to take photos of a car that is already sold. It is a pretty quick way to weed through the results.

[TaBzK]

I think it really depends which market you are in. Here in Dallas most dealerships currently have a 6 month to 1 year allocation wait. I haven't found anyone selling below MSRP.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by TaBzK

I think it really depends which market you are in. Here in Dallas most dealerships currently have a 6 month to 1 year allocation wait. I haven't found anyone selling below MSRP.

In Dallas, I have seen one available at BMW Dallas and one available at Arlington. This was about three weeks ago. The Dallas had a $15 or $20K mark up. I just left BMW of Plano and they have two on the lot awaiting a sale.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by TaBzK

I think it really depends which market you are in. Here in Dallas most dealerships currently have a 6 month to 1 year allocation wait. I haven't found anyone selling below MSRP.

I can put you in touch with a dealer who has no wait for a sedan at MSRP.

[lampai10]

Interested , pm me