[gonzo]

A small dairy not far from me has made the front page of the business section.

They made news by the crowds of people coming to buy their milk, yogurt and other unpasteurized products. One man said he has noticed better overall well being since switching.

Does anyone here use or know more about this?

They may get another customer if it is in fact better for you.

[Bobby_Light]

Raw dairy foods are exceptional and VERY tasty. Enzyme, fat, bacteria, and vitamin rich. They are exceptional for the immune system and your overall health. They represent true living foods from nature that can be readily used and assimilated into the body. Makes sure the products are coming from a reputable farmer whose cows are grass fed, free range, and free of antibiotics and hormones. Raw butter, raw cream, raw milk, and raw colostrum are staples in my diet.

Pasteurized/homogenized dairy, in comparison, is a dead food containing denatured protein, distorted fats, and lacking enzymes which make assimilation very difficult. There is no question in my mind that raw dairy is vastly superior to pasteurized dairy. Foods made the way nature intended will forever be superior to man-manipulated products.

Luckily, raw dairy is available in stores in CA. This only state in the US where this is so I believe which is a real fucking shame. To learn more about the benefits of raw dairy, check out the Weston A Price Foundation and the website of Organic Pastures.

http://www.realmilk.com/
http://www.organicpastures.com/

[gonzo]

Well thank you very much. I just wanted some verification.

The cows graze in pastures on the farm. I want to help the little guy out and my body too.

Heading up there this week!

I am guessing the milk will be thicker and sweet like my late grandmother used to give us. A lonnnnnng time ago.

EDIT: If their products are good enough for Dean Ferring of Ferrings in the Ritz Carlton Dallas it's good enough for me. He is an awesome guy and chef.



Going to stock up on these too.
http://www.luckylayla.com/yogurt.php

[DougLikesBMW]

Hey gonzo, where is this guy's farm in Texas?

Close to Plano at all?

[Bobby_Light]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Well thank you very much. I just wanted some verification.

The cows graze in pastures on the farm. I want to help the little guy out and my body too.

Heading up there this week!

I am guessing the milk will be thicker and sweet like my late grandmother used to give us. A lonnnnnng time ago.

That's a solid find. The milk should have milk fat on top. My favorite glass is the first glass for that reason. Raw milk is truly an awesome treat.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

Hey gonzo, where is this guy's farm in Texas?

Close to Plano at all?

I can't believe I have never seen it. In the heart of Plano.

75/Parker on the east side. Click that link and back up to home page. Actually it is on Jupiter I think. They have a slew of killer looking cheeses too.

$8 for a gallon. That's just less than twice what I pay for Borden's 2% extra protein.

Thanks again BL.

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I can't believe I have never seen it. In the heart of Plano.

75/Parker on the east side. Click that link and back up to home page. Actually it is on Jupiter I think. They have a slew of killer looking cheeses too.

$8 for a gallon. That's just less than twice what I pay for Borden's 2% extra protein.

Thanks again BL.

Wicked. Thanks Gonzo.

[gonzo]

The yogurt labels say "Active probiotic cultures, L.D. Bulgarcius, S.S. Thermophilus" Ok..

They will be on my weekly specialty market runs.

[Synergy 69]

man I bet they don't deliver to the Houston area. =(

[Synergy 69]

btw, what do you think of the Mootopia milk you can purchase @ HEB?

[gonzo]

Just call and ask if any Houston retailers are present. I saw something on the site in Houston. http://www.luckylayla.com/

They sell the yogurts at Whole Foods here but not the milk. Cheese/butter, not sure. Houston Whole Foods?

[lucas.kent]

Unpasteurized raw milk can be extremely, extremely dangerous. You run the risk of coming in contact with listeria, salmonella, and E. coli. There is very little, if any, peer-reviewed scientific research that confirms the benefits of consuming raw milk. In my opinion, it is not even close to being worth it to consume milk raw.

[Synergy 69]

^^^ lol that's what I was thinking too.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Synergy 69

^^^ lol that's what I was thinking too.

Then why did you ask where to get it?

I have consumed nearly the whole gallon I bought Monday and am not keeling over. I drank it as a child and never had a problem then either. I am sure Bobby Light can elaborate on the subject of it's safety.

[Bobby_Light]

Originally Posted by lkw15

Unpasteurized raw milk can be extremely, extremely dangerous. You run the risk of coming in contact with listeria, salmonella, and E. coli. There is very little, if any, peer-reviewed scientific research that confirms the benefits of consuming raw milk. In my opinion, it is not even close to being worth it to consume milk raw.

Pasteurization is only 146 years old. Think about how many thousands of years humans have drank raw milk.

The contamination of milk will be determined by how the milk is handled, the conditions in which is collected, and by the health of the cow. Due to the much greater regulations on raw milk, the standards by which raw milk is collected and tested are superior to that of the dead milk from sick cows packed into pens and raised in their own feces and urine. Pasteurized milk collection doesn't have to be as strict as the farmers know they are going to heat it anyways. It is this unsanitary, fed-lot environment that is the catalyst for potential disease and sickness. These unsanitary conditions are what fostered the thought of heating milk to kill pathogens. Unfortunately, this heat also kills all benefecial bateria, destroys enzymes, destroys some vitamins and minerals, and dentaures proteins/amino acids.

The question to ask is how healthy of a cow can you be living in your own shit/urine and the shit/urine of others, pumped with antibiotics and synthetic hormone, and fed corn/soy/grain/crap when you're meant to eat grass? What type of product could you create given those parameters? Do you normally get hormones and antibiotics when you're healthy? Does pasteurization destroy synthetic hormone and antibiotics present in the milk? If the cows aren't sick and aren't in unsanitary conditions and the collection process is sanitary, is distorting the food by heating it necessary at all?

The incredible, perfect plan that mother nature has set up shouldn't be molested as it is perfect. You can't improve on perfect. The healthy bacteria that appears in raw milk from healthy cows fed the right diet on free range pasture serves to kill pathogens ON THEIR OWN without the need to heat the milk. Nature already has a built in mechanism, a checks and balances system, that has been perfected over time. It is this mix of beneficial bacteria, fats, vitamins, minerals, and enzymes that also assists the human immune system in defending itself from disease. It's a living food that fosters vitality.

The denaturing of proteins and fats in pasteurized/homogenized milk leads to poor digestion and assimilation of these proteins in the body which triggers degenerative, inflammatory, and auto-immune responses from the body resulting in IBS, fibromyalgia, atherosclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Chron's disease, Celiac disease, autism, lactose intolerance, allergic reactions, etc. This denaturing of the milk doesn't occur with raw milk as the body is provided with the factors it needs to assimilate totally the food into the body. As a result, none of these inflammatory reactions occur.

I could continue this comparison but really don't see a need. As a health professional, I tell my clients to stay away from the white death -- table salt, white flour, white sugar, and pasteurized dairy -- as much as possible because of the understanding of the stressful, inflammatory environment that these processed foods create within the body. Body building experts of the early part of the century understood these very premises. If you read the works of Vince Gironda, a bodybuilding legend, he is extremely adamant about consuming raw milk and not pasteurized dairy. He mentions it over and over again the weight gaining and muscle building characteristics of raw dairy. This is when bodybuilding was about building an amazing physique and fostering top-notch health and exceptional endocrine and digestive health. Guy was in his best shape when he was 45 years old.

I propose that pasteurization doesn't benefit the health of the consumer in any way. What it does though is allow for sub-standard collections policies, continuation of the fed-lot operation, contributes to poor treatment of animals, supports the drug industry, and extends the shelf life of milk. It's about bigger production and cheaper production not about health or vitality. $$ is the name of the game.

Do your research and make the decision that's best for you.

http://www.realmilk.com/whichchoose.html

Originally Posted by gonzo

I have consumed nearly the whole gallon I bought Monday and am not keeling over. I drank it as a child and never had a problem then either. I am sure Bobby Light can elaborate on the subject of it's safety.

Keep drinking it. It is second to none in its ability to support your immune system, provide vitality, nourish the brain, and promote overall health. You have nothing to worry about.

[Bishop200]

Well said, Bobby, perfect response.
Cheers,
Andrew.
p.s. wish that I could get raw milk, but I have found organic is at least a small improvement and tastes better too.

[gonzo]

Not worried one bit and good response IMO.

My Westie is getting the rest of the store bought junk in small increments.


I use cane sugar in my coffee. Dump it and get some raw brown?

[Bobby_Light]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Not worried one bit and good response IMO.

My Westie is getting the rest of the store bought junk in small increments.

I use cane sugar in my coffee. Dump it and get some raw brown?

I say use stevia (a sweet herb) if you like the taste or raw honey. Sugar is refined from somewhere; it doesn't exist alone in nature from my knowledge.

[Synergy 69]

thanks for the enlightenment. I'm just on the fence and needed convincing. Now I'm just worried about the protein supplements I take coming from sick cows. =P

[Bobby_Light]

Originally Posted by Synergy 69

thanks for the enlightenment. I'm just on the fence and needed convincing. Now I'm just worried about the protein supplements I take coming from sick cows. =P

You're welcome. Where your protein supplement comes from and how it is processed is a concern. You are what you eat and can assimilate.

[gonzo]

I will go honey then.

I bought a pure juice OJ sweetened with Stevia and did not like it at all. It may be from the combination of it and orange though.

As usual, thanks!

[Synergy 69]

any thoughts on the Mootopia brand milk?