[wj4]

Hey fellas, I started a job about 3 weeks ago. This is my first job in the field, sans internships. I got my BS in Spring of 2009, and will get my MS in a couple of months.

The job is great...except it's about a 33 mile drive each way. And it's about 50 mile each way from the job to my school. Factor in the L.A. traffic...it kinda sucks. Well that's not the issue, really. The new manager they hired is super lame. He tries to micromanage to the next level and always talk about how degrees are worthless. (He only has an AS).

I personally cannot stand him. Also, the admin from our department has already asked to be moved. (She's been here for about 2 years and he's been here for 2 weeks...and she's already sick of him). There's already a lot of workers who dislike him.

A friend of mine has a position available at his company, which is about 10 miles from my house. The pay will be nearly the same, if not a bit higher.

I'm highly tempted to jump ship and go with my friend's company, but I fear how bad it will look on record that I stay with the first employer so shortly.

Any advice/idea/suggestion will be appreciated.

[BTM]

Jump

At worst, you may be asked in the future about why your employment was so short. It is up to you to then diplomatically state that the previous company hired a fucktard.

In the end, any future prospective companies will be more interested in what you did perform at your longer jobs than why you stayed so short at another...provided your "short stays" don't outnumber your "real" jobs...

[MBChariot]

Definitely do it now.

[immiketoo]

You owe them nothing. On your exit interview you should explain that douchebaggery is the number one cause of employees leaving. Cite the 2 year chick as an example and tell them you realize that you probably don't have the time in grade for a transfer so you are moving on. Give your two weeks and be done with it.

[coh4777]

Unless the current company offers a better long-term career track, ie within the company itself or it is a better "name" company in the field that will look good your resume, then jump ship now. If you've only been there for 3 weeks, then don't even put it on your resume so the issue of you moving so quickly should never come up. and even if it does, as long as you stay at the next company for a reasonable amount of time, you can explain it.

[coh4777]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

You owe them nothing. On your exit interview you should explain that douchebaggery is the number one cause of employees leaving. Cite the 2 year chick as an example and tell them you realize that you probably don't have the time in grade for a transfer so you are moving on. Give your two weeks and be done with it.

Do NOT cite the 2 year chick. If she's still at the company you don't want to be throwing her under the bus and potentially creating problems for her. Your issues are your own. Do not bring other people into it.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by coh4777

Do NOT cite the 2 year chick. If she's still at the company you don't want to be throwing her under the bus and potentially creating problems for her. Your issues are your own. Do not bring other people into it.

This. If you are going to, leave upon your own merit. Never talk poorly of previous employees, managers, companies, what have you. Like I said, it's up to you to diplomatically explain the situation if it ever comes up. Don't jeopardize what anyone else is doing - whether you agree with it or not, in their mind they are doing the best they can.

[immiketoo]

Cite her. Any company worth a shit will want to know why a 2 year employee is suddenly asking for a transfer. It's not YOUR problem, it's the companies problem. It bolsters your credibility and will have no effect on her.

[wj4]

Thanks for the advices, fellas. The reason I went with this company was because I got a chance to be a supervisor, which has at least 100 employees at all times. The place is also open 24/7/365.

I'm not trying to complain or anything as I accept any schedule I'm given as long as they can accommodate my classes, ie today I worked from 4AM-1PM and had class from 4PM-7PM.

But, man....this guy is something really annoying.

Upon orientation, it is stated that the first 90 days is the probation period and either party can resign for whatever reason. I joked with my friend saying that I won't even make it the full 90 days, lol.

[coh4777]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

Cite her. Any company worth a shit will want to know why a 2 year employee is suddenly asking for a transfer. It's not YOUR problem, it's the companies problem. It bolsters your credibility and will have no effect on her.

What purpose does it serve the OP to bring up another employee's potential issues with the company? If the company wants to explore why she is looking to transfer they can look into it themselves. It is not up to the OP to opine on what grievances other employees may have at the company. Only creates drama for those left behind and that is a douchebag thing to do. If he has issues with the manager, then he should talk about how he alone was directly affected.

[immiketoo]

The purpose is that if he does it constructively, he can use the short job as a POSITIVE reference as opposed to lying by omission. Bosses respect honest dialog and he can state in an interview that even though he chose to leave, he left on good terms and he may even get a letter of recommendation out of it. It depends on how it's done, and whether or not he thinks its worth it, but I do background investigations and not listing a former employer is easy to find and will get you fubared if the new company does even the minimal background check.

[CollinsE90]

im going to have to say mike is the most intelligent police office ive ever encountered

[immiketoo]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

im going to have to say mike is the most intelligent police office ive ever encountered

[JayKay335i]

What field are you in that somebody without a degree is running the show?

[NYCMCBM3]

jump ship man, i wudnt work anywhere that im not happy at

[Tondtar]

I would not worry about it. it's your first job and most employers in this screwed up economy will realize the main reason you left is because something better came along.

Young people jumping around a bit at the start of their career is quite normal, IMO. If you were +35 yr old and already on your +10th job, then I'd question it.

[blueshark]

This would be an easy decision for me -- jump ship, and never list that job on your resume.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

What field are you in that somebody without a degree is running the show?

This

How can you be on your way to a masters and have some guy with an AS in a position over you? It happens in my field from time to time, but that's because the tallent needs to be so highly trained and the managers are usually former military with 20+ years experience which makes up for the lack of a degree in most cases.

That said, I would bail in a heart beat for a chance to work with a friend closer to home for the same or more pay.

[wj4]

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

What field are you in that somebody without a degree is running the show?

EHS (Environmental, Health, and Safety).

He is about 20 years older than I am, he worked his way up the ranks I suppose. However he has hit the wall. The next step up would be the director of the facility or the regional EHS manager....both which require at least a BA/BS.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by blueshark

This would be an easy decision for me -- jump ship, and never list that job on your resume.

This is a possibility, though in interviews I would maybe allude to the fact you had the short lasted job, somehow spin it as a positive, call it more of a paid internship...who knows. If a prospective company probes your history and find out you've been selectively listing experience it really won't go over too well...

[PsychoSlug]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

The purpose is that if he does it constructively, he can use the short job as a POSITIVE reference as opposed to lying by omission. Bosses respect honest dialog and he can state in an interview that even though he chose to leave, he left on good terms and he may even get a letter of recommendation out of it. It depends on how it's done, and whether or not he thinks its worth it, but I do background investigations and not listing a former employer is easy to find and will get you fubared if the new company does even the minimal background check.

I disagree. As a new employee, anything being said about other employees will only come across as sour grapes (right or wrong). I've encountered similar situations and the outgoing employee is rarely taken seriously, particularly when "bad mouthing" a tenured employee.

OP - you mentioned that the job is great. If you truly enjoy the job, I wouldn't quit over one individual, boss or not. What is to say that you are going to get along with everyone at your next gig? Or, even if you do, will you enjoy the job as much? Obviously it is your call, just give it plenty of thought. As someone else mentioned, if you do leave, don't include this job on employment history. Three weeks is a BIG red flag, unless surrounded by long tenure with other companies.

[PsychoSlug]

Originally Posted by BTM

This is a possibility, though in interviews I would maybe allude to the fact you had the short lasted job, somehow spin it as a positive, call it more of a paid internship...who knows. If a prospective company probes your history and find out you've been selectively listing experience it really won't go over too well...

Leaving a short-time position off of a resume isn't a big deal, unless it creates a big gap in work history. Resumes are all about marketing one's career highlights and skills. The employment portion of a background check will confirm that you were employed where you said you were, and that is about it. Of course, it may also look at other things like criminal record, etc., depending on the potential employer.