The Death of BMW's M Brand? (Jalopnik)

AlpWhite11 · 07-09-2012, 06:41 PM

Sad but some true points.

http://jalopnik.com/5924573/the-death-of-bmws-m-brand

BMW's announcement today of the Lime Rock Edition M3 was the final nail in the coffin for me. The company that claims more 24-Hour wins at the Nürburgring than any other manufacturer just launched a track edition M3 that has no serious performance improvement over the current M3.

It's basically bolt-on Pep Boys parts like a flat bottom Knight Rider steering wheel and special paint. And I'm guessing there is a Lime Rock track map sticker somewhere or a plaque on the dash that tells you this is something special. But that's just it. This isn't something special. It's simply a marketing exercise. A fraud. Not unlike pumping a fake engine noise through the car stereo like BMW does with the M5.

It's for guys who want to be associated with racetracks but don't actually go to the track themselves. It's for the modern poser racer. A luxury version of those fast and furious Honda civics with race seats and belts but stock engines that kids drive around on the street.

I can't wait to meet the guy that buys these Lime Rock editions. He's the one that checks out of his hotel in the morning wearing his fire suit for his BMW CCA driver school session that doesn't start till 10 am because he wants the girl at the front desk to know that he is "racing" today. That guy.

The one that wears firesuits because he wants to be a racer even though he's in his street car that he takes to the train every day. That's who will buy this car.

So why is it so painful? The M brand used to mean something. Really mean something. To me and auto enthusiasts everywhere. I can't think of a performance division of a company with more creditability than BMW's motorsport brand back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

The Death Of BMW's M BrandTo fully appreciate this you need a little history in BMW M brand. It was created to build homologation specials. Cars built for specific racing series in minimum quantity to meet the rules. It started with the M1 in 1978. Then came hand-build 5 series cars that at one point were the fastest sedans in the world – as delivered from the factory.

Next came the original M3, known to us car guys as the E30 M3. Built by BMW for one purpose. To win races. And it won so much its known as the most winning chassis in touring car history. This was BMW's M brand.

So what is it now? Besides the M3, we have am M1 (or 1 Series M Coupe so it's not to be confused with the real M1).

To be fair, this car is amazing. I love it. But BMW built 800 or so and called it a day. Did one go racing? Not that I know of. And then there are the M brand SUVs: an X6M and a X5M. Did either of these go racing? Sort of. BMW gave one to a journalist to compete in One Lap of America this year and it got beat by a Jeep Cherokee. A Jeep Cherokee took down the M Brand. (Ed. Note: Matt Farrah should be along soon to explain how the Jeep was modified and the X5 M was not.)

Now to be fair BMW ran the new M5 — yes the one with the fake engine noises — in One Lap and it won its "Luxury Sedan" class. So my point is that BMW no longer makes high performance automobiles known as the Ultimate Driving Machine. They now make luxury automobiles that are the ultimate motorsport poser mobile.

The Death Of BMW's M BrandThere is no car that says "I want to pretend I'm a performance driver, a racer, but never go to the track" more than the current M brand. It's a fraud leveraging the company's rich racing history and it pisses me off.

Let's took a look at that racing history that the brand was created for. When was the last time BMW won an F1 race? Le Mans? Any of the large sports car races other than Sebring? I'm ignoring Grand Am where BMW races against KIAs and Dinan builds engines for a prototype team. That doesn't count as a factory program. About the only race on the planet that Nürburgring which happened last in the ALMS M3 car in 2010.

Ever seen that ALMS car? Its nothing like the production car we buy. It has double wishbone front suspension. EVERY M3 ever sold has McPherson front struts. And we haven't even gotten to the weirdo rear transaxle deal with its built-in air conditioning pump. Huh, was that a factory option?

My point is that BMW used to build amazing street cars to meet the rules of racing and win. Now they choose races with loose rules and bring cars nothing like the one we buy and turn around and sell us models that have nothing to do with racing other than the sticker on the dash.

So back to today's Lime Rock Edition M3 that BMW just announced. How does this thing even get approved? I can picture the conversation in the marketing department now:

BMW Marketing Guy 1: Guys we really need to leverage our M brand.

Let's release an M3 with a race track associated with it. Yeah like that big one in Germany Nutterburgerringring or something. But I hear that place is expensive to rent, maybe we should use that track near headquarters here in the US, Lime Rock?

BMW Marketing Guy 2: Yeah!

BMW Marketing Guy 1: Don't we already sponsor that track? Sweet, lets make a lime rock edition.

BMW Marketing Guy 2: Whats that mean?

BMW Marketing Guy 1: I dont know but people will think its special.

BMW Marketing Guy 2: Really? Why?

BMW Marketing Guy 1: Well, because we'll paint it a special color and add all our interior add ons like the Knight Rider wheel with the flat bottom!

BMW Marketing Guy 2: But shouldn't it have a signfiicant increase in performance to have a racetrack badge on it?

BMW Marketing Guy 1: No, No, No, the car doesn't need to be faster or handle better because we named it after a racetrack! Just the opposite. Leave the engine the same and give it one of our handling packages that we already have. Like the competition package, that sounds like it should be on a track car.

BMW's Motorsport Brand has lost its soul, and will slowly fade into marketing mediocrity. A friend pointed out another company with a rich history in racing that abandoned it roots and went after the luxury auto market: Saab.

Obviously, BMW wont go bankrupt anytime soon, but what happens when all the luxury buyers that fell in love with performance brand in the 1980's stop driving cars? I don't have that answer but three years ago I asked a marketing executive at BMW this exact question after he told me BMW was supporting Golf and Yachting.

His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.'

Time will tell.

AlpWhite11 · 07-09-2012, 07:32 PM

Good point. Hopefully the next M3 or M2 will be more 'hardcore'.

Lucky13 · 07-09-2012, 09:30 PM

Obviously didn't read the August Car and Driver where the X5M not only finished No 1 but beat the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, Mercedes ML63 and humbled the poor Jeep which finished last.

watrob · 07-09-2012, 10:27 PM

I am as happy as pig in mud when it comes to M cars, I have owned numerous M3's, but as a DD drive for work it doesn't work for me or my clients.

I have always had a X5 M-Sport for my DD and now I have a X5 M50d (746nm torque) with a sports 8 speed gearbox with paddle shift. The only thing different between my X5 and X5M is I have a 3 turbo diesel against a V8 with 2 turbo's and I have more torque.

The M3 is a road car, if you want a race car buy a race car, I just don't see any reasoning in why people complain their M3 is not the same as ALMS M3 or a DTM M3. If you want to go fast by a faster car and if you want a race car by one.

My fast car is a Ferrari and its still not the same as a track car, and thinking the car you buy off the showroom floor should be the same as whats raced around a track is ridicules.

The M3 is as good as it will get for the road, if you want to race it send to a Tuner and spend another $150k on it and race it to your hearts delight, don't just complain about it and as the saying goes "put your money where your mouth is"

XMetal · 07-09-2012, 11:05 PM

The article hit the nail on the head WRT the ///M brand. What ever happened to the promise that an M car will never have an automatic transmission?

Doctor///M · 07-10-2012, 12:08 AM

Couldn't agree more. No idea why they limited production on this guy either - my favorite M car. I don't mind the turbos either... it comes with the progression of technology and environmental standards.

JIO · 07-10-2012, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky13

Obviously didn't read the August Car and Driver where the X5M not only finished No 1 but beat the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, Mercedes ML63 and humbled the poor Jeep which finished last.

Maybe he read the July Issue where the M5 came in last against the E63 and S6.

VaDuro · 07-10-2012, 11:57 AM

Read this article and I thought I would share.

http://jalopnik.com/5924573/the-death-of-bmws-m-brand

Nine · 07-10-2012, 12:00 PM

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335isGuy · 07-10-2012, 02:41 PM

Agreed, after the E36 the M brand really started to fall. Thats why i always say that the E30 M3 was the one a only True M3. Was a true drivers car. Im thankful that I own one, and would not trade it for a E92 M3 any day. Well put!

Biff Grissel · 07-10-2012, 03:18 PM

goddamn posers

1speedbike · 07-10-2012, 10:27 PM

Don't know if anyone else saw this... but the author does make some good points. I would only counter that BMW, and especially the ///M brand, has always has the goal of being a great blend of everything any enthusiast would need. Like the original M5, the world's then-fastest production sedan, was crazy in that sense but utilitarian enough to be a family sedan. Same with the new M5, and even the M3. You can take them to the track, or to the grocery store. Can you pack a month's worth of groceries into the trunk of a Cayman R? Would you be happy with a Boss 302 as your daily driver? Probably not to both of those, but yes for most BMWs (popular articles have compared the 1M to the Cayman, and the M3 to the Mustang). Figured I'd post this in the general 1Addicts section because it does mention the 1M in a positive light, but understandably bashes how BMW only made 800 for the US and moved on. Anyway, I thought this was interesting, so enjoy!

http://jalopnik.com/5924573/the-death-of-bmws-m-brand

Just a bit of the article:

Quote:

So what is it now? Besides the M3, we have an M1 (or 1 Series M Coupe so it's not to be confused with the real M1). To be fair, this car is amazing. I love it. But BMW built 800 or so and called it a day. Did one go racing? Not that I know of. And then there are the M brand SUVs: an X6M and a X5M. Did either of these go racing? Sort of. BMW gave one to a journalist to compete in One Lap of America this year and it got beat by a Jeep Cherokee. A Jeep Cherokee took down the M Brand. (Ed. Note: Matt Farrah should be along soon to explain how the Jeep was modified and the X5 M was not.)

Now to be fair BMW ran the new M5 — yes the one with the fake engine noises — in One Lap and it won its "Luxury Sedan" class. So my point is that BMW no longer makes high performance automobiles known as the Ultimate Driving Machine. They now make luxury automobiles that are the ultimate motorsport poser mobile.

There is no car that says "I want to pretend I'm a performance driver, a racer, but never go to the track" more than the current M brand. It's a fraud leveraging the company's rich racing history and it pisses me off.

Much more BMW-hating (albeit with good points) inside.

NYC6 · 07-10-2012, 10:43 PM

Does make some good points.

Experimental · 07-10-2012, 11:51 PM

Keep in mind who is writing the article as well. Bill writes with a lot of experience behind him. Not your typical run of the mill arm chair racer.

XMetal · 07-11-2012, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biff Grissel

goddamn posers

Said the guy with the x5m

I kid...I kid

Pangloss · 07-11-2012, 12:13 AM

It's funny how these criticisms from the hard-line old-timers always seem to begin with something along the lines of "It's amazing, I love it, but...".

MDork · 07-11-2012, 12:40 AM

Everyone knows "M" stands for "marketing"

yaymitch · 07-11-2012, 12:40 AM

It's interesting, I have to say that the whole time I was reading it I was thinking how much more fun the 135i is than the E90/92 M3's.

ptack · 07-11-2012, 08:45 AM

BMW will soon be offering extra M badges as a separate option on all cars. The first badge will be $500 and every additional badge will be $100, until you reach five and then the price will drop to $20 per badge. Sadly, there will be no further discount for bulk orders of more than 20.

BrokenVert · 07-11-2012, 09:08 AM

Good. Good.

Let the hate flow through you!

KingOfJericho · 07-11-2012, 09:30 AM

A Porsche GT3 or Cup car is track ready... an Exige is track ready... Not one single current M car is really "Track Ready." It may be closer to being suitable for fun at the track, but truly track ready they are not.

shah269 · 07-11-2012, 09:31 AM

How many M's are sold with slush O matics? Or flappy paddles?
Way more than those sold with 6 speeds!

It is what it is....our asses are getting fatter and cars are costing us more.
What's the 1M selling for? $65k....$65 freaking K
Hell how much is a new 135I? $45k? WTF!

Sorry boys as the price of these great cars goes up expect people with more moeny and less desire to buy them.

Such is ife...the fat of the land will rule us all.

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AlpWhite11 Captain 71 Rep 693 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Irvine iTrader: (0)	The Death of BMW's M Brand? (Jalopnik) Sad but some true points. http://jalopnik.com/5924573/the-death-of-bmws-m-brand BMW's announcement today of the Lime Rock Edition M3 was the final nail in the coffin for me. The company that claims more 24-Hour wins at the Nürburgring than any other manufacturer just launched a track edition M3 that has no serious performance improvement over the current M3. It's basically bolt-on Pep Boys parts like a flat bottom Knight Rider steering wheel and special paint. And I'm guessing there is a Lime Rock track map sticker somewhere or a plaque on the dash that tells you this is something special. But that's just it. This isn't something special. It's simply a marketing exercise. A fraud. Not unlike pumping a fake engine noise through the car stereo like BMW does with the M5. It's for guys who want to be associated with racetracks but don't actually go to the track themselves. It's for the modern poser racer. A luxury version of those fast and furious Honda civics with race seats and belts but stock engines that kids drive around on the street. I can't wait to meet the guy that buys these Lime Rock editions. He's the one that checks out of his hotel in the morning wearing his fire suit for his BMW CCA driver school session that doesn't start till 10 am because he wants the girl at the front desk to know that he is "racing" today. That guy. The one that wears firesuits because he wants to be a racer even though he's in his street car that he takes to the train every day. That's who will buy this car. So why is it so painful? The M brand used to mean something. Really mean something. To me and auto enthusiasts everywhere. I can't think of a performance division of a company with more creditability than BMW's motorsport brand back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. The Death Of BMW's M BrandTo fully appreciate this you need a little history in BMW M brand. It was created to build homologation specials. Cars built for specific racing series in minimum quantity to meet the rules. It started with the M1 in 1978. Then came hand-build 5 series cars that at one point were the fastest sedans in the world – as delivered from the factory. Next came the original M3, known to us car guys as the E30 M3. Built by BMW for one purpose. To win races. And it won so much its known as the most winning chassis in touring car history. This was BMW's M brand. So what is it now? Besides the M3, we have am M1 (or 1 Series M Coupe so it's not to be confused with the real M1). To be fair, this car is amazing. I love it. But BMW built 800 or so and called it a day. Did one go racing? Not that I know of. And then there are the M brand SUVs: an X6M and a X5M. Did either of these go racing? Sort of. BMW gave one to a journalist to compete in One Lap of America this year and it got beat by a Jeep Cherokee. A Jeep Cherokee took down the M Brand. (Ed. Note: Matt Farrah should be along soon to explain how the Jeep was modified and the X5 M was not.) Now to be fair BMW ran the new M5 — yes the one with the fake engine noises — in One Lap and it won its "Luxury Sedan" class. So my point is that BMW no longer makes high performance automobiles known as the Ultimate Driving Machine. They now make luxury automobiles that are the ultimate motorsport poser mobile. The Death Of BMW's M BrandThere is no car that says "I want to pretend I'm a performance driver, a racer, but never go to the track" more than the current M brand. It's a fraud leveraging the company's rich racing history and it pisses me off. Let's took a look at that racing history that the brand was created for. When was the last time BMW won an F1 race? Le Mans? Any of the large sports car races other than Sebring? I'm ignoring Grand Am where BMW races against KIAs and Dinan builds engines for a prototype team. That doesn't count as a factory program. About the only race on the planet that Nürburgring which happened last in the ALMS M3 car in 2010. Ever seen that ALMS car? Its nothing like the production car we buy. It has double wishbone front suspension. EVERY M3 ever sold has McPherson front struts. And we haven't even gotten to the weirdo rear transaxle deal with its built-in air conditioning pump. Huh, was that a factory option? My point is that BMW used to build amazing street cars to meet the rules of racing and win. Now they choose races with loose rules and bring cars nothing like the one we buy and turn around and sell us models that have nothing to do with racing other than the sticker on the dash. So back to today's Lime Rock Edition M3 that BMW just announced. How does this thing even get approved? I can picture the conversation in the marketing department now: BMW Marketing Guy 1: Guys we really need to leverage our M brand. Let's release an M3 with a race track associated with it. Yeah like that big one in Germany Nutterburgerringring or something. But I hear that place is expensive to rent, maybe we should use that track near headquarters here in the US, Lime Rock? BMW Marketing Guy 2: Yeah! BMW Marketing Guy 1: Don't we already sponsor that track? Sweet, lets make a lime rock edition. BMW Marketing Guy 2: Whats that mean? BMW Marketing Guy 1: I dont know but people will think its special. BMW Marketing Guy 2: Really? Why? BMW Marketing Guy 1: Well, because we'll paint it a special color and add all our interior add ons like the Knight Rider wheel with the flat bottom! BMW Marketing Guy 2: But shouldn't it have a signfiicant increase in performance to have a racetrack badge on it? BMW Marketing Guy 1: No, No, No, the car doesn't need to be faster or handle better because we named it after a racetrack! Just the opposite. Leave the engine the same and give it one of our handling packages that we already have. Like the competition package, that sounds like it should be on a track car. BMW's Motorsport Brand has lost its soul, and will slowly fade into marketing mediocrity. A friend pointed out another company with a rich history in racing that abandoned it roots and went after the luxury auto market: Saab. Obviously, BMW wont go bankrupt anytime soon, but what happens when all the luxury buyers that fell in love with performance brand in the 1980's stop driving cars? I don't have that answer but three years ago I asked a marketing executive at BMW this exact question after he told me BMW was supporting Golf and Yachting. His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.' Time will tell.
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watrob Lieutenant Colonel 140 Rep 1,597 Posts Drives: MY2022 X5 M-Sport 45e White Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Brisbane - Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2021 Toyota Yaris Z ... [0.00] 2022 BMW X5 G05 e45 [0.00] 2015 Ferrari Cali T [0.00]	I am as happy as pig in mud when it comes to M cars, I have owned numerous M3's, but as a DD drive for work it doesn't work for me or my clients. I have always had a X5 M-Sport for my DD and now I have a X5 M50d (746nm torque) with a sports 8 speed gearbox with paddle shift. The only thing different between my X5 and X5M is I have a 3 turbo diesel against a V8 with 2 turbo's and I have more torque. The M3 is a road car, if you want a race car buy a race car, I just don't see any reasoning in why people complain their M3 is not the same as ALMS M3 or a DTM M3. If you want to go fast by a faster car and if you want a race car by one. My fast car is a Ferrari and its still not the same as a track car, and thinking the car you buy off the showroom floor should be the same as whats raced around a track is ridicules. The M3 is as good as it will get for the road, if you want to race it send to a Tuner and spend another $150k on it and race it to your hearts delight, don't just complain about it and as the saying goes "put your money where your mouth is" __________________ MY22 X5 M-Sport 45e White, 22"rims, Red Calipers, Ceramic Pads. Better off saying what it does not have and that's a B&O Audio System, otherwise all option boxes are ticked.
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VaDuro Second Lieutenant 21 Rep 220 Posts Drives: 335xi Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South NYC iTrader: (2)	Death to the //M ? Read this article and I thought I would share. http://jalopnik.com/5924573/the-death-of-bmws-m-brand __________________ E90XI//GRAPHBLK//VISHNUv.5.R3//ERCP//Synapse BOV//aFe Super Stock//aFe Grill Scoops//35%//Matte Grill//Apex EC-7 + 12MM Space
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335isGuy Captain 35 Rep 770 Posts Drives: 2018 Bmw 340xi Msport Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Bmw 340xi Msport [0.00]	Agreed, after the E36 the M brand really started to fall. Thats why i always say that the E30 M3 was the one a only True M3. Was a true drivers car. Im thankful that I own one, and would not trade it for a E92 M3 any day. Well put!
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Experimental Second Lieutenant 33 Rep 297 Posts Drives: '14 328d M-sport Wagon Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canton, GA iTrader: (0)	Keep in mind who is writing the article as well. Bill writes with a lot of experience behind him. Not your typical run of the mill arm chair racer. __________________
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Pangloss Lieutenant 28 Rep 563 Posts Drives: 2012 135i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0)	It's funny how these criticisms from the hard-line old-timers always seem to begin with something along the lines of "It's amazing, I love it, but...". __________________ 2012 135i convertible, DCT, Black/Beige, HK, Prem, M sport, no nav.
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yaymitch Major 1069 Rep 1,300 Posts Drives: 2024 M3CS & 2022 RSQ8 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Houston iTrader: (2)	It's interesting, I have to say that the whole time I was reading it I was thinking how much more fun the 135i is than the E90/92 M3's. Last edited by yaymitch; 07-11-2012 at 12:46 AM..
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ptack Brigadier General 306 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i [6.50]	BMW will soon be offering extra M badges as a separate option on all cars. The first badge will be $500 and every additional badge will be $100, until you reach five and then the price will drop to $20 per badge. Sadly, there will be no further discount for bulk orders of more than 20. __________________ 135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Apex EC-7s, PPK Stage II
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KingOfJericho Major General 2458 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	A Porsche GT3 or Cup car is track ready... an Exige is track ready... Not one single current M car is really "Track Ready." It may be closer to being suitable for fun at the track, but truly track ready they are not. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
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shah269 Major 322 Rep 1,035 Posts Drives: 2009 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	How many M's are sold with slush O matics? Or flappy paddles? Way more than those sold with 6 speeds! It is what it is....our asses are getting fatter and cars are costing us more. What's the 1M selling for? $65k....$65 freaking K Hell how much is a new 135I? $45k? WTF! Sorry boys as the price of these great cars goes up expect people with more moeny and less desire to buy them. Such is ife...the fat of the land will rule us all.
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