Next BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra to Ride on Beefed Up Toyota 86 Platform?

Jason · 02-11-2013, 06:28 PM

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BMW and Toyota recently inked a deal to partner on fuel cell, sports car, and lightweight Technology [more on deal here], which should see synergies in engineering and development.

In a report about the Toyota Supra successor, Motor Trend suggests that the agreement will form the backbone to the development of both the new Supra and the next Z4. They speculate that both sports cars will ride on a revised and beefed up version of the Toyota 86 (AKA GT86, FR-S, BRZ) platform.

Should this rumor prove true, and with the Toyota 86 receiving much critical acclaim for its handling and being a true driver's car, this will hopefully result in a much more dynamic handling successor Z4 than the current E89 Z4.

As for the next Z4's powerplant, MT's source says that BMW is testing a BMW-built V6 hybrid motor which would deliver similar power to the new Supra - speculated to be 400+ HP (from a turbocharged 2.5L inline 4 cylinder hybrid or a mid-mounted 3.5L V6 hybrid).

BMW is also said to be helping with the development of the Supra's suspension settings and handling properties.

The next Z4 is expected 2015-2016 and the new Supra comes in 2017.

iceman335 · 02-11-2013, 06:57 PM

The BRZ is a good car, IMO.

TT6mT · 02-11-2013, 07:03 PM

Very interesting. From what I gather:
- Toyota provided the FRS design to Subaru.
- Subaru engineered the chasis and engine.
- Now Toyota is taking that chasis and having BMW put their suspension and engine into it.

Is Toyota going to then take the Subaru chasis, BMW suspension and have someone else put their engineering into a piece? The end product will be dubbed, The Picaso.

shivaswrath · 02-11-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TT6mT

Very interesting. From what I gather:
- Toyota provided the FRS design to Subaru.
- Subaru engineered the chasis and engine.
- Now Toyota is taking that chasis and having BMW put their suspension and engine into it.

Is Toyota going to then take the Subaru chasis, BMW suspension and have someone else put their engineering into a piece? The end product will be dubbed, The Picaso.

BMW269 · 02-11-2013, 07:23 PM

Thanks to Toyota BMW will again have a drivers car.

ORIGIN M. · 02-11-2013, 07:28 PM

I guess this is what happens when you sleep together.

mach330 · 02-11-2013, 07:35 PM

definitely digging this idea. I just bought an frs and it's a very fun car. I find myself enjoying it a bit more than my e46 m3. If my frs had a bit more power, it would be a perfect car. I programmed with ecutek so I'm about at 220hp right now. 260-300 would be ridiculously awesome.

Zebra99 · 02-11-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mach330

definitely digging this idea. I just bought an frs and it's a very fun car. I find myself enjoying it a bit more than my e46 m3. If my frs had a bit more power, it would be a perfect car. I programmed with ecutek so I'm about at 220hp right now. 260-300 would be ridiculously awesome.

It's too bad they don't throw a nice 300hp turbo engine in there to begin with. Even if it cost another $5000 I'm sure many people would buy it.

It would be spanking cars left right and centre!

sonicbimmer19 · 02-11-2013, 07:48 PM

hybrid motor? looks like a car for BMW i, probably i4

templarklimek · 02-11-2013, 07:58 PM

Is Stillen or the like coming out with a S/C for it? What an awesome combo that would make with around 320 HP.

Thurman Murch · 02-11-2013, 08:00 PM

I was kinda hoping BMW partnered w/ Honda. I think the NSX concept plus BMW enhancements would make for a sick ride. I am sure BMW just wants Toyota's hybrid tech and is feeding them a little fish food to get it. Nonetheless, hope something good comes of it.

Axman85 · 02-11-2013, 08:01 PM

Say good bye to BMW quality. My other car is a piece of crap Toyota. Worst car ever, constantly recalled and always broken. Won't see me ever buying a Toyobimmer.

Rickster311 · 02-11-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TT6mT

Very interesting. From what I gather:
- Toyota provided the FRS design to Subaru.
- Subaru engineered the chasis and engine.
- Now Toyota is taking that chasis and having BMW put their suspension and engine into it.

Is Toyota going to then take the Subaru chasis, BMW suspension and have someone else put their engineering into a piece? The end product will be dubbed, The Picaso.

Agreed but I believe Toyota Group is investing heavily into the next fuel cell technology, so what I expect to see from this collaboration is Toyota developing a lot of the engine and chassis and BMW providing the carbon lightweight insight, design, small turbo motor, and of course the luxury aspect.

I could be way wrong but that's my guess. Regardless thought, if I see a ultra lightweight car produced, I'll be in heaven.

dre99gsx · 02-11-2013, 08:13 PM

Why mess with a good thing?

Fully_Bolted · 02-11-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dre99gsx

Why mess with a good thing?

Lucky sob

BKap08 · 02-11-2013, 08:34 PM

This is gonna be awesome

ƒ° · 02-11-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dre99gsx

Why mess with a good thing?

Now imagine those 2 had a baby.

bimmerjph · 02-11-2013, 08:44 PM

Wow BMW would fuck the most promising car in a while with a V6. I really really really really hope that part is not true.

Eagle1oh7 · 02-11-2013, 08:52 PM

A TOYOBIMMER?! As Vader would say: "NOOOOOOO!!!!"

is_niice · 02-11-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Wow BMW would fuck the most promising car in a while with a V6. I really really really really hope that part is not true.

this makes absolutely no sense. none of us have any idea what this car is even going to be, but I will bet that BMW invested more time, energy and money to make this car than any of us did, so they'll make it worth their while

I like Toyota, i've come from a long line of toyotas in my life, including an IS350 lex, 4runner, tacoma etc. none of them have ever needed repairs beyond scheduled maintenance. I can't say that for the e46/e90 m3's i've owned with FAR less miles. Maybe the true gift is having something with the performance of a bimmer and the reliability of a toyota...which I would really appreciate.

BAL278 · 02-11-2013, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fully_Bolted

Quote:

Originally Posted by dre99gsx

Why mess with a good thing?

Lucky sob

This^ lucky SOB!!!!

sonicbimmer19 · 02-11-2013, 09:44 PM

Anybody know what exactly "midsize" sports car means length wise?
For example, compact sedan is about ~180 in, midsize sedan is ~190 in, fullsize sedan is ~200 in.
What about sports cars? My guess is about ~170 in? I'm not 100% sure

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