[brianeck]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

Echoing the same and raising the bar: if you could lease this car for $199 per month (including tax), would the experience overshadow any perceived shortcomings?

I'd drive an Xm for $199 a month too but it doesn't make it any less of an abomination. I'd probably drive any 120k+ car on the planet for $199, hands down.

The same can be said for a purchase too - if this was 1/6th of its purchase price ~~$30k, would I buy it? Sure! I'd slap a wide load sticker on her and call ahead to make sure I'm below the maximum weight for major bridges quite happily.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

No guys the reason BMW limiting G90's power is not Gearbox torque limit.

You can easily increase HP significantly without increasing torque.

That is not necessarily true. Horsepower is torque multiplied by rpm’s divided by a constant. At the same engine RPM it is mathematically impossible to increase power without increasing torque. If torque stays flat and RPM’s increase then horsepower increases.

Transmissions have both a torque limit and a horsepower limit. For example the transmission in the M5 has a max torque of 1,000 nm (737 Ft lbs). If it made this much torque at 10,000 RPM’s (extreme example) then that would be about 1,400 horsepower. The transmission cannot handle this amount of power.

I don’t know if we are currently at the power limits of the M5’s transmission, but I bet we aren’t far.

As RPM’s, and therefore horsepower, increase so does heat. A transmission can only dissipate so much heat which is why they have power limits on them. The Panamera Turbo S has 771hp using likely the same transmission. I bet that is the power limit (about 575 KW)

[IMS-340C]

Of course you can't increase HP without increasing Torque or RPM.

What I mean is increasing HP without increasing PEAK Torque and RPM.

If you look at the dyno below of a stock G90 M5 as an example, increasing WTorque @7000 RPM from 500 lbft to 600 lbft (way below the 700 lbft peak Torque and way below any TCU Torque limit) will increase WHP from 666 to 800.

As for heat I don't think it's an issue, we've been tuning M5s to 800 HP easily without any heat issues.

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

That is not necessarily true. Horsepower is torque multiplied by rpm’s divided by a constant. At the same engine RPM it is mathematically impossible to increase power without increasing torque. If torque stays flat and RPM’s increase then horsepower increases.

Transmissions have both a torque limit and a horsepower limit. For example the transmission in the M5 has a max torque of 1,000 nm (737 Ft lbs). If it made this much torque at 10,000 RPM’s (extreme example) then that would be about 1,400 horsepower. The transmission cannot handle this amount of power.

I don’t know if we are currently at the power limits of the M5’s transmission, but I bet we aren’t far.

As RPM’s, and therefore horsepower, increase so does heat. A transmission can only dissipate so much heat which is why they have power limits on them. The Panamera Turbo S has 771hp using likely the same transmission. I bet that is the power limit (about 575 KW)

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by callmebigpapa

Absolutely beautiful machine and gets undeserved hate for its weight

Personally, I think the hate is justified since it’s the very first M5 generation ever to go backwards from a power to weight ratio valuation.

I like the exterior looks, but lament the downgrade in interior quality. However, this is not exclusive to this car, but a trend with new BMWs.

[callmebigpapa]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Personally, I think the hate is justified since it’s the very first M5 generation ever to go backwards from a power to weight ratio valuation.

I like the exterior looks, but lament the downgrade in interior quality. However, this is not exclusive to this car, but a trend with new BMWs.

I am inclined to agree with the interior, I don’t like the direction it’s going in. Not just BMW but most brands. The early G series and most of the f series has been the perfect interior to me. Something like the pre lci g05 x5 that’s possibly peak bmw interior to me.
As far as the power to weight of the m5 that’s a valid criticism however I’m able to look past it (I will also never own a g90 m5)

[IMS-340C]

Yeah this is the first time an M5 is not faster than the previous model.

Originally Posted by WWM3

Personally, I think the hate is justified since it’s the Ansaugluft-Temperaturvery first M5 generation ever to go backwards from a power to weight ratio valuation.

I like the exterior looks, but lament the downgrade in interior quality. However, this is not exclusive to this car, but a trend with new BMWs.

[IMS-340C]

To me M8 competition is peak BMW interior design.

Originally Posted by callmebigpapa

I am inclined to agree with the interior, I don’t like the direction it’s going in. Not just BMW but most brands. The early G series and most of the f series has been the perfect interior to me. Something like the pre lci g05 x5 that’s possibly peak bmw interior to me.
As far as the power to weight of the m5 that’s a valid criticism however I’m able to look past it (I will also never own a g90 m5)

[callmebigpapa]

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

To me M8 competition is peak BMW interior design.

I can see it, I’m currently obsessing over SUVs so I am carrying a strong bias. The m8 interior is fantastic

[ANDREW THOMAS]

Awesome in color

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

No guys the reason BMW limiting G90's power is not Gearbox torque limit.

You can easily increase HP significantly without increasing torque.

Please enlighten us as to the real reason since you’re so confident it’s not the gearbox.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Personally, I think the hate is justified since it’s the very first M5 generation ever to go backwards from a power to weight ratio valuation.

I like the exterior looks, but lament the downgrade in interior quality. However, this is not exclusive to this car, but a trend with new BMWs.

After sitting in/driving the M5 I was really underwhelmed by the interior quality. Mostly the leather on the seats. It felt lower grade than the merino leather in the 550e I drove just before it. The dash is what it is…don’t love it but have been in several G60’s now since 2023 launch so it’s not unfamiliar.

[IMS-340C]

https://g90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=47

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Please enlighten us as to the real reason since you’re so confident it’s not the gearbox.

[elite_m2]

Originally Posted by M_Torx

maybe everyone just looking at it wrong it's a RR u can drift

Well said

[Moopai]

The power is not lower than the previous model... BMW is not reporting the real HP/TQ numbers as usual. That's how Joe Achilles and RBR hit 0-60 in 3.12s, this a tank and to hit that number, it is amazing!

Check out the dyno videos, this car has close to 650 HP and if you need more you can always go with the Dähler performance module and I'm sure there will be a lot more coming up with different tune.

I just wish BMW did not cheapen out on the interior, leatherette dashboard and door panels, no B&W Diamond Surround Sound, no soft closing doors, message seats etc.?? C'mon BMW... This is suppose to be the Flagship of the M cars!

Originally Posted by hdahman

Does anyone knows if g90 or g99 can be tuned to unlock the full v8 engine power. It’s outputting like 150hp less than it’s capable of!?

[Greer]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

It's not meant to be a corner-carving track car, it's a powerful German Autobahn cruiser. As such, it fulfills its duties perfectly. If you want something more agile, go for an M2, M3, or M4.

I agree with this statement. Most, not all of the negative feedback is from people who were never in the market to actually purchase an M5. It's an executive sedan, and with government regulations, it had to be this heavy or no M5 at all.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

It's not meant to be a corner-carving track car, it's a powerful German Autobahn cruiser. As such, it fulfills its duties perfectly. If you want something more agile, go for an M2, M3, or M4.

Than perhaps they shouldnt have called it M5. Its the hybrid 5 series with a M5 engine. M5s cut corners thats the brand l. Or it was until now.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Logical

Than perhaps they shouldnt have called it M5. Its the hybrid 5 series with a M5 engine. M5s cut corners thats the brand l. Or it was until now.

it was either this or it loses the V8, then you'd be bitching about that instead of the added weight.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

it was either this or it loses the V8, then you'd be bitching about that instead of the added weight.

All the current gen V8 cars are bloated and cant handle. Thats facts. All too heavy. They screwed up the x5/x6m and now the M5. Watch the throttle house review of the car. They wont put it on this forum. The interior is bland, touch screen UI is absolutely garbage and non intuitive, and although people trash the styling it will look better when they up charge 10k for the cosmetic mods and tuning packages. I’ve been buying this brand for 17 years specifically the M5 for 4 generations long before they had boost. They porked it up. Call it what it is. The G90 M5 wont track well due to weight and BMW NEVER got into drag racing. So why spend 130k for a straight line sedan? Thats what Tesla is for at half the price.

Ill vote with my wallet and continue to mod my F90.