[rotatingchicken]

Originally Posted by White340

These are all steps towards a Tesla like interior (big screen in the middle and minimal buttons and levers). It saves a lot of money and this is the direction bmw wants to go.

I see that, but very unfortunate and as someone who absolutely loved and embraced iDrive 7, i can say 8 is horrendous and they should definitely stop ✋

[rotatingchicken]

Originally Posted by BMWCompact

Per the BMWUSA.com site, G90/G99 runs operating system 8.5.

Same thing, difference is they took away the scroll wheel and put the volume on the center console and some other stuff but the UI is still the same trash.

[Joe AUTOID]

Originally Posted by ledgy

I think you meant 20- Inch wheels in the front and 21-inch in the rear.

I wonder if the stock 21-inch wheel would fit in the front??

Whoops typo! I meant 20" front 21" rear, thank you!

[Tallest]

I dont know why everyone is whining about the wheel gaps on BMWs, but not a word on hypercars which all have very big wheel gaps up front because suspension travel is still a thing. Take SF90, or non RS 911s, all have some wheel gap, and M5 isnt much different. You can slam it and rake the car down, but it will be worse off for most uses. Plus, may be the fact that car is a hybrid means it cant be lower due to distance of the battery to the ground according to BMW ideas of safety (mind, Porsche or Tesla have low EVs and dont care, but BMW all cars are riding up high).

As for wheels, you for sure can just replace them.

Whats not so nice and I think many seem to agree is the interior situation as thats what you see most. The LED lights that will reflect up in the glasshouse are a questionable choice any day, but here the way they are... Overall may be this car is not perfect, has some flaws, but probably is OK for this new transitional malaise era of 20s car design (aka the new 1970s).


And putting old and new M5 next to each other... That doesnt help new M5. The old one looks so good.

Still, dont wanna judge this car too harshly, this isnt the XM after all.

[thebonafortuna]

Appreciate the write up and glad to read the pros. I try to find positivity in everything.

I don’t post much on this site but I own several BMWs, make a good living, and would normally be at the point I’d be looking to purchase a new car. My preference is always a manual but I went and looked at the M3 and simply couldn’t get past the horrid screens on the interior. So I was hoping to be blown away by the M5…

…and I hate it. I just hate it. Everything about it is ugly and overblown.

It’s getting so depressing. I love our X5 but my kids are growing and we could really use a three row. And the X7 is just so ugly I can’t do it. My wife hates it even more than I do.

BMW wtf. You make the best engines in the world but your design team is literally the worst on the planet at this point.

Ahhh. Rant over.

At least the tech in the M5 looks cool. There I ended on a positive note.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Joe AUTOID

…[*]Aggressive styling: The G90 M5 boasts a more striking and assertive design compared to its predecessor….

Maybe the new undefined language can leave such overall impression but there is no element of elegance in it, unlike ALL its predecessors. M5 used to be that wolf in sheep clothes that will be known to a keen eye and a conosseur.
Now, -like you also mention with the grille-, is all about bling bling and unneccesary screaming ugly lines… The headlamps, tailights and that uber ugly rear fender- rear door connection is the cherish on the cake. If I will weld that area with my buddys in my garage, I will do a better job than that…
And the interiors are an absolute disgusting aproach. Long, weird tablet (with a terrible, angular, childish and cheap designed software appearance too) that is not even dash integrated and leaves not only a weird behind dust-collecting space but also a lot to be desired, the lack of a nice shifter that will make you still feel that you drive a car and not sit at a desk on youtube makes it look really cheap, and …lots of shitty plastic… makes this car a let down in every aspect…

Either way, for me, this is such a step down that I am not even consider such car anymore. I dont care about the power, (not to mention the weight) , I can do exceptional with the previous beautiful generation, or… another brand.

I still need to turn my head with passion towards it when I lock it. This one makes me look the other way.

The whole car is gaudic.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by rotatingchicken

Agreed completely. iDrive 8 is simply garbage. And taking away the shifter on an M car is WILD, and not in a good way.

Isn't that Idrive 8.5?

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by Joe AUTOID

After getting our hands on the new G90 M5 a couple of weeks ago we share our honest thoughts on the car, highlighting both it's strengths and weaknesses.
//snip//
Don't like:
[LIST][*]Staggered wheel setup: The use of 20-inch wheels in the front and 21-inch wheels in the rear creates an awkward and visually unappealing look.

I blame Ferrari for this -- they started it some twenty years ago or so, and now it has become fashionable to have greater diameter wheels in the rear. Ferrari > Porsche > now BMW. And no doubt others. Before you know it, Honda and all the others, too.

[rotatingchicken]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Isn't that Idrive 8.5?

I mean ill copy/paste again,,, Same thing, difference is they took away the scroll wheel and put the volume on the center console and some other stuff but the UI is still the same trash.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

The first three bullet points are clear marketing jobs. In the grand scope of things most people aren’t complaining about the 20/21 wheel size or the rear spoiler and let’s be honest wheel gaps are present on all cars not just the G90.

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Probably shouldn’t look at any new Porsche then either, my 9Y0.2 Cayenne and Taycan are full of screens, the Taycan had zero buttons (just a few on the steering wheel). The 992.2 911 is a very similar set up. All manufacturers are going full digital, mostly because it is cheaper and people demand tech in their vehicles.

Its one thing to demand "Tech," but you can have both a big touch screen and buttons, and throw in gesture control, and voice control. They succeeded in drive 7. Why not just combine the most celebrated controls BMW has had, ever, with a bigger screen? The answer is cost cutting - BMW is not doing any of this because of "what people demand" they are doing it because it's cheaper.

Idrive7 isn't perfect but it damn near would be if my Waze maps could transfer to the center gage cluster screen. Lol.

Spinning the idrive controller should also default to media volume. But anyway nobody is listening and idrive 7 is dead!

I am amazed that there isn't more law enforcement backlash against the middle screens being all touch. It is inarguably more distracting to get into settings menus while driving - it's probably worse than texting and eating a sandwich.

[mestes1999]

You love the aggressive styling but then several of your complaints are about the styling? Makes sense.

Also, there is nothing aggressive about the styling compared to the previous M5. This one looks like a heavy, sagging-assed basic sedan.

[cfm56d7b]

"We are very impressed with the G90 M5's performance" - sharing the same impression. Is it perfect in everyone's eyes? Perhaps not. But the alternatives are far and few between.

[Berry528]

Thanks for posting the Vidoe, it so glad to Share more details about this Angel.... It's cool on snow 🌨️ let's tour the world baby #BMW.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by Joe AUTOID

The interior quality does not reflect the price you pay for the car. Better than a stock G80 M3 but not as good as a G80 M3 with extended leather in our opinion.

I have a G81 with carbon seats and it feels special unlike the G90 which is rather dull, even with the carbon trim. It is rather a let down, build assembly is still good but the material quality and cabin layout is a step down : from the super cheap window buttons, unnecessary complexity for operating air vents and lack of closed storage where the phone charger was on the M3... Removal of real buttons on the steering wheel is another way to make things cheaper and compromise further user experience. I really miss the idrive 7 G80 interior which still had climate control and heated seat buttons and the driver dash display was not part of the infotainment panel, that was peak BMW interior IMHO. Now on the upside where I live the G90 is cheaper than the G8x so it kind of reflect the price in a way

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

"We are very impressed with the G90 M5's performance" - sharing the same impression. Is it perfect in everyone's eyes? Perhaps not. But the alternatives are far and few between.

Closest alternatives I can come up with are the Panamera GTS or AMG GT 63 and they'll set you back 40-50k more then a loaded G90 once you option them out decently.

There's the caddy ct-5 blackwing too but then you're paying 6 figures for a GM product

funnily enough a loaded G80 start to enter the picture as well, no V8 and less interior room and so on but it does lurk in the background

[Berry528]

The sky is blue.... Free to witness the adventures... #BMW DO.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Its one thing to demand "Tech," but you can have both a big touch screen and buttons, and throw in gesture control, and voice control. They succeeded in drive 7. Why not just combine the most celebrated controls BMW has had, ever, with a bigger screen? The answer is cost cutting - BMW is not doing any of this because of "what people demand" they are doing it because it's cheaper.

Idrive7 isn't perfect but it damn near would be if my Waze maps could transfer to the center gage cluster screen. Lol.

Spinning the idrive controller should also default to media volume. But anyway nobody is listening and idrive 7 is dead!

I am amazed that there isn't more law enforcement backlash against the middle screens being all touch. It is inarguably more distracting to get into settings menus while driving - it's probably worse than texting and eating a sandwich.

PCM is pretty hit or miss. Most people on Rennlist and Taycanforum complain about the tech in the Taycan, they want Tesla like tech, I am fine without it. My XM has iDrive 8.5, it works pretty well, the clinate buttons aren’t any more annoying to hit than my physical ones on my previous G01. I think the EU is planning on requiring some functions to be physical controls in the next year or 2, the turn signal button and lack of gear shift, and wiper stalk in Teslas is the main reason.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by rotatingchicken

I mean ill copy/paste again,,, Same thing, difference is they took away the scroll wheel and put the volume on the center console and some other stuff but the UI is still the same trash.

Do you actually have a car with IDrive 8.5 or do you just like hearing yourself talk?

[rotatingchicken]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Do you actually have a car with IDrive 8.5 or do you just like hearing yourself talk?

I've had multiple loaners and experience, as well as at the performance center. I wouldn't want to own one with it but i have plenty of experience, which is incredibly annoying. Also, i do enjoy my own voice, its pretty sexy, however im not hearing it here since this is only typing.

[Rux]

Comment and Question


I feel as though BMW purposely didn’t add the ability to add more luxury to the cabin to keep the price point low for a the initial roll out.


iDrive 8 / 8.5 / 9 offer more features and functionality then iDrive 7. I don’t like how they integrated it. Most don’t. I own both , driven a dozen or so loaners with various varieties. panoramic iDrive 10 should incorporate all the lessons learned. I hope.


Is this S68 DME Crypto locked like the G8x? If so have they closed the FEMTO monopoly back door like they did with the G8x LCI?

[24CBX4M40i]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Its one thing to demand "Tech," but you can have both a big touch screen and buttons, and throw in gesture control, and voice control. They succeeded in drive 7. Why not just combine the most celebrated controls BMW has had, ever, with a bigger screen? The answer is cost cutting - BMW is not doing any of this because of "what people demand" they are doing it because it's cheaper.

Idrive7 isn't perfect but it damn near would be if my Waze maps could transfer to the center gage cluster screen. Lol.

Spinning the idrive controller should also default to media volume. But anyway nobody is listening and idrive 7 is dead!

I am amazed that there isn't more law enforcement backlash against the middle screens being all touch. It is inarguably more distracting to get into settings menus while driving - it's probably worse than texting and eating a sandwich.

I jump back and forth between my iD7 (24 X4M40i) and my wife's 24 X5 with iD8. I love mine as it just "molds" perfectly between the middle and top of the steering wheel. However, stepping into the X5 and the screen graphics just roll across the cockpit is cool too