[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

idk who the people you referenced are but my reason for not considering the 8 is it's simply just too old, that interior is closer to 2 generations behind then to the most current one that's in the G90, a lot of which is ripped right from the current flagship 7.

And I listed a bunch of reasons why the 5 is better then the 3 you just didn't quote it lol

Same reaaons i moved from my M8
It is outdated given no real lci and it is now just an old car
Still looks good but unfortunately is outdated

[Coexist]

Maybe it's an old car but the quality is far away from the new G90. When I sat in G90 I was dissapointed to see that cheap interior. Maybe if they will make updates to that I will choose G90. Until then I will be happy with my M8GC 2024. And hope for a new M8 version.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Coexist

Maybe it's an old car but the quality is far away from the new G90. When I sat in G90 I was dissapointed to see that cheap interior. Maybe if they will make updates to that I will choose G90. Until then I will be happy with my M8GC 2024. And hope for a new M8 version.

Agree the leather and overall quality is inferior and some comfort features are missing
I am not sure why bmw did not offer extra paid options for people who wants that
I personally would have ticked many boxes like full leather comfort access for rear doors and soft closing doors...

[masd79]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

yeah but then you're paying 115k for a 3 series.... I was tempted by this idea for a bit.

And I'd push back against the premise that it's more luxurious just because it's got a couple more pieces of leather. Rear seats are significantly less usable/comfortable, front seats less comfortable (a synonym for luxury when it comes to seating), inferior carbon fiber (no silver thread), doesn't have any of the 7 series trickle down stuff like the whole center console/selector area, surround lightbar, steering wheel, m-drive assist professional unit, no alcantara headliner. HK vs B&W sound system, no rear wheel steer... it adds up when you dive a bit deeper then leather.

Then there's the pig nose, overall aging model with a new 3 series incoming, stiff ride you won't use most of the time

Good points

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Not sure if you are following or I understand your comments about trump or 0.02 or 0.1 LOL
But as a BMW FANBOY who has owned 7 BMWs since 2011 including M3/M4/M6/M8 ,If for any reason I want to trade my amazing M8 in for other BMW , I will definitely pick G8x instead of G90.
Why? Well if I check all the boxes in G8x xDrive build, I will end up a car which is more luxury ( including full leather) with more packages ( including all CF) , less expensive, much lighter, much smaller , more nimble and much better handling car and most probably as quick ( or even quicker) in 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
And I can park it everywhere
BTW this is the first time I would pick M3 over M5 over all generations…

‘Top Trumps’ is a card game as old as the hills where the winner is decided based on numerical data.

And most of the naysayers on G9x are basing their opinions on the minutiae, tiny numerical differences having neither seen it and certainly not having driven it.

Absolutely, BMW make different vehicles for different scenarios, needs or tastes. If G8x is your thing, go for it. They’re great cars but their being great does not mean G9xs are not. Nor does it make them faster. Because they’re not in real World driving conditions though perhaps on a track.

However, as many have said, who’s tracking their M5? If BMW make the M5 for track use they will do so at the expense of road comfort. That may then rule you in but me out.

So, in the end I guess it’s different strokes for different folks but people need to stop saying the G9x is garbage because that is objectively untrue.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

idk who the people you referenced are but my reason for not considering the 8 is it's simply just too old, that interior is closer to 2 generations behind then to the most current one that's in the G90, a lot of which is ripped right from the current flagship 7.

And I listed a bunch of reasons why the 5 is better then the 3 you just didn't quote it lol

Actually I quoted your first post partially when I said “Fair enough” LOL
For the second one , I see your point for size. You need more room and G90 is what you want but to me G8x had enough room.
According to my claim about luxurious of G8x vs G90 IMO full leather must be standard on all M cars specially dashboard. I am really more concern about interior that exterior because interior is what you see everytime you sit behind the wheel but exterior is what people see.
Having said that full leather is available as optional on G8x and not G90/G99.
It’s funny you mentioned Alcantara because 6 months ago when I was debating between M8 and M4 to replace my 2020 M8, I wrote comparisons somewhere in M3/M4 forum and one of the advantage I counted for M8 was Alcantara.
I also believe Alcantara headliner/dash must be standard on all M cars. It gives a special sport/luxury character to the car.
Finally I really like M8 interior and despite your opinion I dont believe it’s outdated.
I wish the cluster/speedometer was analoge the same as my F13 M6.
The new theatre screen on G series is not my cup of tea.
Let me leave my 2024 M8 interior here which is Alcantara/Leather.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

‘Top Trumps’ is a card game as old as the hills where the winner is decided based on numerical data.

And most of the naysayers on G9x are basing their opinions on the minutiae, tiny numerical differences having neither seen it and certainly not having driven it.

Absolutely, BMW make different vehicles for different scenarios, needs or tastes. If G8x is your thing, go for it. They’re great cars but their being great does not mean G9xs are not. Nor does it make them faster. Because they’re not in real World driving conditions though perhaps not on a track.

However, as many have said, who’s tracking their M5? If BMW make the M5 for track use they will do so at the expense of road comfort. That may then rule you in but me out.

So, in the end I guess it’s different strokes for different folks but people need to stop saying the G9x is garbage because that is objectively untrue.

G8x is not my thing. My thing is M8 and that’s why Im driving here. I said I would pick G8x over G90 if I had to get rid of M8.
As far as track thing, I’m not saying you should track your car but track performance is an indicator how powerfull/quick/nimble/good handling a car is.
I dont think G90 can be even faster than 7:35 over the ring which is F90 record.

[The0bald]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Depends on your definition of sport car.
To me M8 is sport car even kind of supercar. Anyway she is already supercar killer and the quickest BMW ever built and will stay the quickest for years

M8 is not a super car, you are just in love with yours and that is fine but how many more times are you going to state that in an G90 thread? Everyone knows already!!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by The0bald

M8 is not a super car, you are just in love with yours and that is fine but how many more times are you going to state that in an G90 thread? Everyone knows already!!

Is it bothering you?
And I’m talking to other people not you!

[d8vidking]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Sorry Im not going to troll but what is impressive here?
1/4 mile in 11.3 seconds?
About 0.4 seconds slower than F93 M8, 0.2 seconds slower than F90 M5 and the same time as G80 M3 xDrive…
Shouldn’t we complain about weight?
Also this is battle between new generation of M5 and old generation of competitors… and G90 is only 0.1 second faster which can be alittle jump.
Dont get me wrong. G90 IS NOT A SLOW CAR but not fast enough as we expected.

Why complain about something BMW can’t control because of euro regulations? It doesn’t make sense, BMW weren’t the ones who wanted to make it heavy. All of the cars you listed have a huge advantage of weight as well and they might beat the G90 off the line, but the G90 will reel them all back in. This is an impressive car considering the circumstance with regulations. Don’t be mad at bmw for it being heavy, be mad at regulations. This new M5 doesn’t what an M5 was always meant to do. Even better than the F90 which is what owners are saying.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by d8vidking

Why complain about something BMW can’t control because of euro regulations? It doesn’t make sense, BMW weren’t the ones who wanted to make it heavy. All of the cars you listed have a huge advantage of weight as well and they might beat the G90 off the line, but the G90 will reel them all back in. This is an impressive car considering the circumstance with regulations. Don’t be mad at bmw for it being heavy, be mad at regulations. This new M5 doesn’t what an M5 was always meant to do. Even better than the F90 which is what owners are saying.

Not sure if I understood correctly.
Is Europian regulation forcing BMW to make car longer, taller, wider and heavier?
Do you thing F90 was small?
Why G90 must be bigger causing more weight and slower?
You know F90 was lighter than F10 even though it had AWD.
So basically BMW can build cars with reasonable weight.

[d8vidking]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Not sure if I understood correctly.
Is Europian regulation forcing BMW to make car longer, taller, wider and heavier?
Do you thing F90 was small?
Why G90 must be bigger causing more weight and slower?
You know F90 was lighter than F10 even though it had AWD.
So basically BMW can build cars with reasonable weight.

Yes, regulations literally forced it be heavier because of the hybrid system. That’s the reason it’s heavier. Did you not know that?

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Not sure if I understood correctly.
Is Europian regulation forcing BMW to make car longer, taller, wider and heavier?
Do you thing F90 was small?
Why G90 must be bigger causing more weight and slower?
You know F90 was lighter than F10 even though it had AWD.
So basically BMW can build cars with reasonable weight.

The EU regs, and all other regs, actually are requiring the exterior of the cars to get bigger, just indirectly.

While enthusiast may be different, many people consider the interior volume/space of a car much more important than the exterior size. When people think of a 5 series they think about how much space there is inside. They have been in a 5 series before and know roughly how big it feels inside.

As more items/features are required by regulations, these items take up space. Your options are either to reduce interior space (which most consumers don’t want) or increase size (which most companies end up doing).

A great example of this are seats. Seats actually take up A TON of volume in a vehicle. 30 years ago a car seat had manual slide and tilt, maybe lumbar. Some even had these movements with power motors! Now people want heating, cooling, massage, 14-way adjustable cushions. All of these things take up space in the seat either with modules or the motors themselves. Regulations require things like airbags in seats, seat belt pretensioners, stronger structures for child seat latxhes, etc. All of these things also make seats bigger.

So with seats physically bigger, unless the car itself is bigger then the interior will feel tighter and more cramped.

On the G90 there is a large battery pack under the floor. In order for the M5 to remain a V8 it practically had to be a PHEV. EU regulations are getting too strict to allow it to continue as a V8 ICE-only sedan, and BMW is not going to have multiple architectures for the M5. This battery pack is going to raise the floor slightly. If the roof isn’t also raised then the interior volume gets smaller, which consumers won’t go for.

So while the regulations don’t say “you must make your cars bigger”, they do require additional features. To accommodate these features the manufacturers must either make the interior space smaller or make the car bigger. Manufacturers believe that given the choice between:
Option A - same size exterior, but smaller interior
Option B - larger exterior, but same size interior

Most consumers want option B. This is why almost ever single vehicle gets bigger from generation to generation. Your average consumer cares much more about interior space/fell than exterior size.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by d8vidking

Yes, regulations literally forced it be heavier because of the hybrid system. That’s the reason it’s heavier. Did you not know that?

You didnt get my point.
Adding the hybrid might be regulation requirement but making bigger car is not regulation.
If G90 was the same size of F90, they could shave couple hundred pounds

[hufington]

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

You didnt get my point.
Adding the hybrid might becregulation but making bigger car is not regulation.
If G90 was the same size of F90, they could shave couple hundred pounds

If the G90 had the same exterior dimensions as the F90 then the G90 interior would be substantially more cramped.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

If the G90 had the same exterior dimensions as the F90 then the G90 interior would be substantially more cramped.

Thats why G90 is toward 7 series
M5 over 5 meter and 5300 lb!
Its previous generation of 7 series

[The0bald]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Is it bothering you?
And I’m talking to other people not you!

Yes, because it is becoming spam now. Everyone on the forum has read your opinion multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with your opinion, and the interior of your M8 looks great, it is just the relentless repetition of it. For me anyway.

[Nettles]

Random vote, but I'll take M8 interior ANY DAY over G90. Saying the M8 interior is outdated is an interesting take. Just because everything looks like a fucking spaceship inside doesn't mean that looks "new".

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Actually I quoted your first post partially when I said “Fair enough” LOL
For the second one , I see your point for size. You need more room and G90 is what you want but to me G8x had enough room.
According to my claim about luxurious of G8x vs G90 IMO full leather must be standard on all M cars specially dashboard. I am really more concern about interior that exterior because interior is what you see everytime you sit behind the wheel but exterior is what people see.
Having said that full leather is available as optional on G8x and not G90/G99.
It’s funny you mentioned Alcantara because 6 months ago when I was debating between M8 and M4 to replace my 2020 M8, I wrote comparisons somewhere in M3/M4 forum and one of the advantage I counted for M8 was Alcantara.
I also believe Alcantara headliner/dash must be standard on all M cars. It gives a special sport/luxury character to the car.
Finally I really like M8 interior and despite your opinion I dont believe it’s outdated.
I wish the cluster/speedometer was analoge the same as my F13 M6.
The new theatre screen on G series is not my cup of tea.
Let me leave my 2024 M8 interior here which is Alcantara/Leather.

This interior absolutely smacks. It's beautiful, and it looks special with the cross hatched, two tone seats and Alcantera. It looks way more premium than the new m5. This interior looks absolutely stunning. BMW has the capability of doing sick nasty cool leather designs that are tasteful and appealing. The dash looks super sporty. Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have paid for more premium materials in my m340i too.

I know this isn't the point of the thread but I just wanted to sit here and point out that your car is mint.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by The0bald

Yes, because it is becoming spam now. Everyone on the forum has read your opinion multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with your opinion, and the interior of your M8 looks great, it is just the relentless repetition of it. For me anyway.

Well you missed the point.
This thread is not G90 introduction.
It’s G90 vs competitors and F9x M5/M8 are serious competitors of G90.
Most of my discussions in this thread were with the guy who owned 2x M8 and now has G90.
As fars as interior I had no intention to post my car interior here but again it was part of comparison between G90 interior and M8 and discussion with member was talking about outdated M8 interior and following up of Alcantara interior.
I think either you need to follow the discussions ( before jumping to then) or simply ignore quotes you don’t like and seriously avoid calling “SPAM”whatever you dont like!
Anyways I stop arguing with you and spend my time with people would like to talk about cars…
Your very first post in this thread was showing your intention LOL

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by brianeck

This interior absolutely smacks. It's beautiful, and it looks special with the cross hatched, two tone seats and Alcantera. It looks way more premium than the new m5. This interior looks absolutely stunning. BMW has the capability of doing sick nasty cool leather designs that are tasteful and appealing. The dash looks super sporty. Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have paid for more premium materials in my m340i too.

I know this isn't the point of the thread but I just wanted to sit here and point out that your car is mint.

Thanks.
Again I believe this kind of interior( Alcantara/Leather) must be standard for all M cars specifically those at +100k price point.
G90 is absolutely missing this.