[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Who wants to charge the car and fill it with gas? It's a pain in the ass. Why could BMW not do a performance hybrid system like the E Ray or McLaren??

Because of turtlenecks and skinny jeans.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

Because of turtlenecks and skinny jeans.

100% !!!
We need to get the designers out of the Engineering department and put Engineers back in charge!!!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Who wants to charge the car and fill it with gas? It's a pain in the ass. Why could BMW not do a performance hybrid system like the E Ray or McLaren??

Serious question: how often do you have to charge? Doesn’t it regen enough to never require plugging in? The other thing I’d like to understand is real-world MPG in standard hybrid mode. Is it closer to 20 or 30+?

[Yeru]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

These things are not needed on an M5 they’re just adding more weight and more complexity to what it’s already become a massive over 5000 pound vehicle.. the extra horsepower that this thing is generating is just being consumed by the weight.

The ugly tooth fang 7seven series is what has those items.

Somewhat have to agree with this. Yes, it probably will compete well in the upper premium sports segment, but c’mon OP’s desire for “seat massaging functions”? Alpina or even the regular series car would probably be a better fit. Maybe I’m out of touch with modern market trends, but if choosing between premium sports or luxury, I’d opt for the former.

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Serious question: how often do you have to charge? Doesn’t it regen enough to never require plugging in? The other thing I’d like to understand is real-world MPG in standard hybrid mode. Is it closer to 20 or 30+?

Yes. Hybrids are a complete scam. MPG is calculated as you deplete the battery. We have an X5 hybrid.. in 'battery control', where the battery remains a constant charge, the MPG is about what my M5C gets, around 20-22 mpg. Where we live in CA, electricity is so expensive that it is cheaper to fill the tank in the X5 rather than charge it.

Again, hybrids are a complete scam.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Yes. Hybrids are a complete scam. MPG is calculated as you deplete the battery. We have an X5 hybrid.. in 'battery control', where the battery remains a constant charge, the MPG is about what my M5C gets, around 20-22 mpg. Where we live in CA, electricity is so expensive that it is cheaper to fill the tank in the X5 rather than charge it.

Again, hybrids are a complete scam.

A few years ago Harry of Harry’s Garage got 50 mpg on his X5 45e (6 cyl but before they changed the branding to 50e) - he did so by running half his miles (5k) in EV only. I think these are metric miles, so equates to 30 miles per gallon US? I guess he was on lower speed roads where the battery could regen, and he must have plugged in every night. His cost was 14p/kWh and 125p/litre (473p/gallon).

Our iX gets about 80mpge. M3 gets 18 mpg. If the M5 got 30-40mpge it might make sense. But what does it actually achieve? They should tell you up front. I’ve asked the same question in the XM forums and the answer is 18-20mpg. How does that justify the additional weight and cost?

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

A few years ago Harry of Harry’s Garage got 50 mpg on his X5 45e (6 cyl but before they changed the branding to 50e) - he did so by running half his miles (5k) in EV only. I think these are metric miles, so equates to 30 miles per gallon US? I guess he was on lower speed roads where the battery could regen, and he must have plugged in every night. His cost was 14p/kWh and 125p/litre (473p/gallon).

Our iX gets about 80mpge. M3 gets 18 mpg. If the M5 got 30-40mpge it might make sense. But what does it actually achieve? They should tell you up front. I’ve asked the same question in the XM forums and the answer is 18-20mpg. How does that justify the additional weight and cost?

Yeah, exactly, ours is the X5 45e. Hybrids work if you’re in an area with cheap electricity, or if you have so much solar generation you have excess. We have solar but it just covers our yearly usage (no plug in cars, no AC). Electricity is so expensive where we are, $0.50 / kWhr and going up. So what we have is a very nice SUV with some brake generation that gets the same gas mileage as my V8 620hp super car.