[TheJerseyDon]

Someone please grab and hide the ugly stick BMW has been using lately.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Don’t be intellectually lazy. We’re talking about new/upcoming cars; that was plainly obvious given the scope of this conversation. Bringing up old cars is the equivalent of me bringing up the E46. Both the new 992.2 GTS and base are PDK only. The new “S” and “T” are unknowns right now. The new Cayman/Boxster will be a full EV, so no manual option. I’ve already accounted for the GT3 variants, but obviously not everybody can afford a GT3 (…and the more expensive GT3 variants are way out of reach for the vast majority of people). Porsches new game is to move the manuals up-market and charge a premium for them.

My Porsche dealer told me a few days ago that there will still be 992.2 manual variants coming later. I assumed that meant T and S versions, but who knows I guess.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by WWM3

My Porsche dealer told me a few days ago that there will still be 992.2 manual variants coming later. I assumed that meant T and S versions, but who knows I guess.

It’s speculation, but that’s the rumor currently in motion. The main one being rumored is a manual Turbo (…which Porsche said couldn’t be done, but then released the Sport Classic), so that would be cool to place that in the line-up without a $400k price tag. The S will be a hybrid/PDK-only by most reports since the Ascari reveal.

[Sedan_Clan]

Love the color of your car BTW WWM3. Is that Mexico Blue?

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Love the color of your car BTW WWM3. Is that Mexico Blue?

Thanks man ! It’s Miami Blue.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Going to disagree here, since I'm sure that many people bought G8Xs because once they saw it in person, they actually liked it. But I know that's hard for some to fathom.

And the G8X powertrain and chassis are top notch and quite stout, so that was never going to be the issue.

Well there's always one.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Well there's always one.

….or many, in the case of the G8X!

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

….or many, in the case of the G8X!

So 2 for the M5 with an M3 badge

[Remigijus]

Is it me, but when tested new i5, it felt and looked smaller than previous generations? Somehow squished from the sides looking at general proportions. In reality new one is taller, wider than G30 or F10.

And G90 case, this thing looks huge with that wide stance. Touring would look even bigger.

[Cortexiphan]

G90 is better looking, and Im sure it’ll be a better package

[AllaVodka]

Literally everything about the F90 is better, interior included

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

No, the F90 is a better looking car than the G90.

Exactly. The F90 was the last of the good M5's. The new one is a heavy big & a bit on the rubbish side, in terms of overall agility & absolute performance...

[junki]

I think what throws off the G90 front end is the lower half "skirt". In piano black, it looks wrong in some way, perhaps because cars with a semi-aggressive front end skirt like that usually aren't in piano black.

But, I can see if you replace it with the carbon fiber, it'll look very right indeed.

Overall, the G60 generation of 5-series is closer to 7 than to 3, meaning they're luxury sedans that are sporty instead of sports sedans that are luxury. The G90, being the same weight as a X7 full sized SUV, sounds like it'll be the same philosophy, just taken up a notch or two.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I always enjoy BMW design threads (not as much as an oil thread, but close). Owning numerous BMWs since 1999, I have come to the following conclusions about opinions regarding the styling of the next generation of the car that you currently own or are interested in:

1. The "pinnacle" of BMW styling often occurs when you first get into the brand or acquire your dream BMW. For me this is the E39. My manual 1999 E39 528 was the first nice car I ordered to spec, and that is quite a memory. I couldn't quite swing an M5 when it came out it 2000, but was able to in 2004, cementing my love for the E39's style forever. All M5 styling (and everything else: size, weight, lack of manual transmission option) is "downhill." And yet I understand that the car must evolve to suite the current market, and I am glad that it continues.

2. The current owners of the previous generation of the same car who do not plan to "upgrade" to the more current version are generally dissatisfied with with the design changes. This is certainly the case for me regarding my F87 M2C vs. the 2023+ G87 M2. That said, I am so glad that owners of the G87 enjoy it and BMW still produced it (with at MT as well!!).

TL;DR: Opinions BMW styling fall on somewhat predictable lines. I know the owners of the G90 will love their cars.

With due respect to your experience, mine has been quite different.

All of the following were custom build to order vehicles.

1. E90 first BMW, I liked it so I got it. New to the brand

2. Wasn’t thrilled by F30 radical headlight design meeting grilles, otherwise a well put together German 4 door sedan. I guess I also found it better packaged overall and got one.

To date G20 rear tail lights is lazy design to me, bland to say the least, front was great. LCI did not fix that. Interior was modern though not to my liking of design and cheapened materials. By this time of launch of G20, I had already gotten into an F10, so my opinion wasn’t really biased by ownership or desire to own one of G20s.

4 series evolved so well from driving dynamics perspective moving into G2x generation but the design is completely out of place, I think it sells because once you are driving it, it’s a much superior car than the F3x. Same for M variants.

3. F10 was great highway cruiser with comfort and big sports car sorts drive. Had one for 3.5 years.

4. G30 was a rather bland evolution and looked too similar to F10 but felt lighter and more comfortable on highway long drives. (4.5 hour non stop was not exhausting). Design a tad better on exterior, and some tech goodies. Driving this currently.

5. G60 doesn’t have the German saloon design language anymore. F10 and G30 did, so did E60 though it was polarizing.

A dusty old F10,E60 is still a head turner and stands out on the highway, there IS that uniqueness about their design

G60 feels way larger sitting inside, and when parking. Drives well surprisingly not feeling that big on handling (had a brand new loaner when my G30 was in for warranty services/repairs).

G60 only draws my attention when it’s a brand spanking new shiny one, or it’s lost in the midst of the Hondas and Toyotas and the kias. It does not stand out unless it’s pimped up or some striking color.

Weird to some but some would agree about design - a car has to speak to me for me to be passionate about it’s design language, which sadly won’t be possible to meet as a mark the way auto industry is going.


I don’t like G60 or this general 5er generation personally, it’s a very confused design. It’s a significant departure lately from the design direction and there is honestly no question about it. Whether we/potential customers like it or not or need to go to therapy so the designs grow on them is a different story

It will sell because you can’t buy a brand new factory ordered older gen car anymore for practical and emmisions/ regulatory reasons.

[DrVenture]

1000 more pounds. That is 5 very hefty girls riding along. Going to go through expensive tires very fast. Not to worry, you'll get used to it.