[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I say that because you get so much more by paying $8k more to get the 3.0. And just because I don't think it is a good value, doesn't mean I don't see why someone would buy one.

Supra premium is what 55$k with some options
There's exist a much better BMW sports coupe with a much superior inline 6 for a few grand more and it comes in manual
M2 comp

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Supra premium is what 55$k with some options
There's exist a much better BMW sports coupe with a much superior inline 6 for a few grand more and it comes in manual
M2 comp

We will agree to disagree on which car is better

[OkieSnuffBox]

I'm shocked how many dealers are still asking well over MSRP for the 2020 Supra. A quick search of Autotrader shows more than 200 of them across country for sale under MSRP by thousands.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by super51fan

75 peak horsepower. Keyword is peak. Peak is important.

2.0 Supra makes more power than the 370z until roughly 5500-6000 rpm and makes more torque throughout the powerband. IN GEAR or not, the Supra pulls way harder down low at the RPMs you use the most thus feeling faster.

I get that it has more torque, I just don't think you're correct about area under the curve (not that either of us could verify without back to back dyno runs on the same day, along with a bunch of math.) If we assume you're correct and the Z makes less power below 5500 RPM, you've still got 2000 RPM to work with between 5500 RPM and the Z's 7500 RPM redline. If you shift at redline, the Z drops from 7500 RPM to about 6000 RPM, at which point the car is still making more horsepower than the Supra would be at peak power. So while overall area under the curve may go either way, the area under the curve that actually matters during high performance driving is MUCH bigger on the Z car.

That said, between the transmission, the better torque and the lower peak power RPM, I'm sure the Supra would feel faster in day to day driving. But if you're driving the cars hard, the Z is going to pull harder in gear.

Obviously everyone drives differently and its totally fine to prefer one type of powerband over another. My personal preference when it comes to performance cars is to always place some sort of a premium on high RPM power, as I find that to be the most exciting part of the powerband. I also would never buy a supra by virtue of transmission. But hey, I could've bought a 370Z and I didn't even consider it for a second, so its not like you're totally wrong here either.

[Grip Addict]

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by super51fan

The DME for the X3 M/M4 M show the Supra in the image, S58 Supra coming?

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=12_2464

One can dream, but that would be hell of a car

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

One can dream, but that would be hell of a car

I am looking forward to what they do with the car. But, I hope they do something to differentiate itself from the rest of the BMW lineup instead of following in the footsteps on BMW's release cycle.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I'm shocked how many dealers are still asking well over MSRP for the 2020 Supra. A quick search of Autotrader shows more than 200 of them across country for sale under MSRP by thousands.

Any reasonable dealer is offering well under MSRP. Around 10-12% off plus Toyota is giving 3500 rebate on all 2020s. 58-60k sticker cars are selling for 46-49k plus tax/title.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Any reasonable dealer is offering well under MSRP. Around 10-12% off plus Toyota is giving 3500 rebate on all 2020s. 58-60k sticker cars are selling for 46-49k plus tax/title.

I think that is their point. Even though there are plenty of discounts on new 2020s, there are still psychos listing them for $70k+

[MmmmmM2]

I finally saw the new Supra on the road in my area the other day. It's not a bad looking car at all.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I am looking forward to what they do with the car. But, I hope they do something to differentiate itself from the rest of the BMW lineup instead of following in the footsteps on BMW's release cycle.

Well it's a shared platform with BMW parts hard for them not to follow, and I doubt BMW will allow them to jump on the gun in terms of new feature

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I think that is their point. Even though there are plenty of discounts on new 2020s, there are still psychos listing them for $70k+

I didn’t actually think dealers were still trying to pull that - have not seen any but I also stopped looking for one around January. I was going to add one with my Carrera T at the time but fling a different direction now.

I still like the Supra, and think for under 50K, it’s a great car. There are def some areas I don’t love but there’s good value there. I also wish it came with a manual.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

I didn’t actually think dealers were still trying to pull that - have not seen any but I also stopped looking for one around January. I was going to add one with my Carrera T at the time but fling a different direction now.

I still like the Supra, and think for under 50K, it’s a great car. There are def some areas I don’t love but there’s good value there. I also wish it came with a manual.

The crazy thing is that there still $70k+ Supras on AutoTrader.

For $50k it most definitely is a good car

[Germanauto]

I'm actually sort of considering the Supra for my next car. The price is quite reasonable, and the fact that it's mostly a BMW is a plus for me because you get German engineering, interior, and build quality. I enjoyed the Z4 30i I drove but found the steering to be a deal killer. It's very fast but totally dead and lacking in weight/tightness. I've heard the Supra is tuned to be more sportier overall.

However there are some drawbacks:

1) The Toyota badge and fact I'll have to go to a Toyota dealer. I've been accustomed to luxury brands and dealerships my entire life
2) Wind buffeting issues. I always drive with my windows open unless I'm on the highway
3) Lack of sunroof option

These will probably be deal killers for me.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by super51fan

The DME for the X3 M/M4 M show the Supra in the image, S58 Supra coming?

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=12_2464

Hilarious, good find

[David70]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I'm actually sort of considering the Supra for my next car. The price is quite reasonable, and the fact that it's mostly a BMW is a plus for me because you get German engineering, interior, and build quality. I enjoyed the Z4 30i I drove but found the steering to be a deal killer. It's very fast but totally dead and lacking in weight/tightness. I've heard the Supra is tuned to be more sportier overall.

However there are some drawbacks:

1) The Toyota badge and fact I'll have to go to a Toyota dealer. I've been accustomed to luxury brands and dealerships my entire life
2) Wind buffeting issues. I always drive with my windows open unless I'm on the highway
3) Lack of sunroof option

These will probably be deal killers for me.

Interesting about the badge and dealership. I think the "Toyota dealership" and the likely long term lower costs (parts/labor), actually make it a benefit to me. Maybe because you wouldn't keep it long enough to have to pay for these items?

I have a BMW weekend and Cadillac daily I find it interesting that there are tons of BMW independents all over town but when you look for independents that specialize in Asian and American brands there are very few, I think because many long term BMW owners leave the dealerships looking to less expensive options.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

Well it's a shared platform with BMW parts hard for them not to follow, and I doubt BMW will allow them to jump on the gun in terms of new feature

I bring this to question because I think something has to be done to differentiate the car from the upcoming 2 series and M2 built on similar underpinnings. I know one is a 2 seater and the other a 2+2 but I still think they would compete in the same target market against the Cayman and in the same demographic.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I'm actually sort of considering the Supra for my next car. The price is quite reasonable, and the fact that it's mostly a BMW is a plus for me because you get German engineering, interior, and build quality. I enjoyed the Z4 30i I drove but found the steering to be a deal killer. It's very fast but totally dead and lacking in weight/tightness. I've heard the Supra is tuned to be more sportier overall.

However there are some drawbacks:

1) The Toyota badge and fact I'll have to go to a Toyota dealer. I've been accustomed to luxury brands and dealerships my entire life
2) Wind buffeting issues. I always drive with my windows open unless I'm on the highway
3) Lack of sunroof option

These will probably be deal killers for me.

I wish BMW would get their shit together when it comes to electric steering.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I think that is their point. Even though there are plenty of discounts on new 2020s, there are still psychos listing them for $70k+

That's exactly the point.

Toyota is now even offering 0.0% financing on Supra's.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

That's exactly the point.

Toyota is now even offering 0.0% financing on Supra's.

Right?! Some even have money on hood and 0%, yet there are still dealerships who have them marked up.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

Right?! Some even have money on hood and 0%, yet there are still dealerships who have them marked up.

If I hadn't just bought a new toy for AutoX/HPDE/DD, that is much cheaper........I would seriously start considering one if I could the upper trim level under-$50k and 0% financing.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

If I hadn't just bought a new toy for AutoX/HPDE/DD, that is much cheaper........I would seriously start considering one if I could the upper trim level under-$50k and 0% financing.

Definitely a great deal under $50k. I really can't wait to see what they do with this car