[Mani59]

Carwow put the G90 up against the F90 and F10 in a drag race.

It’s time for a BMW M5 head-to-head!

We’ve got Mat in the all-new BMW M5, and he’s going up against the two previous generations - the F90 and F10! The all-new G90 has come under a bit of criticism for its weight, but will that prove decisive? Let’s take a closer look at the stats.

Starting with the new G90, it’s powered by a 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8 coupled with an electric motor. These combine to produce an incredible 727hp and 1000Nm, and this power is sent to all four wheels via an 8-speed automatic gearbox. It tips the scales at a mighty 2,435kg, and as new it costs from £111,000.

Alongside it, we have the F90 Competition. It also has a 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8, and this creates 625hp and 750Nm. Power is sent to all four wheels via an 8-speed auto, and it weighs 1,895kg. When new, it cost around £109,000.

Then finally we have the F10. It’s also packing a 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8, and this produces 575hp and 680Nm. It’s the only rear wheel drive car here, with the power sent to that set of tyres by a 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox. It’s the lightest car here, at 1,870kg, and when new it cost £79,000.

So will the newer and more powerful car snatch the win? There’s only one way to find out for sure… LET’S RACE!

[grabbou]

Thanks for sharing, watched the video!

Wish they did a few more braking tests. It's easy to blame the weight, but w/o measurements, there's reaction times and other things that come into play.

Like in this video, where they compare M5 with RS6 and GT63, they did a follow-up braking test, and results were all different.

[masd79]

Considering the advantages, g90 did surprisingly well against a f90 comp which most likely had cold air intakes, downpipes, lowered for better launch, and Matt who’s a better driver plus he’s lighter…

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by masd79

Considering the advantages, g90 did surprisingly well against a f90 comp which most likely had cold air intakes, downpipes, lowered for better launch, and Matt who’s a better driver plus he’s lighter…

yeah I don't trust that F90 owner at all, shame Matt couldn't get a dependably stock F90 for this test

[will0621]

Originally Posted by masd79

Considering the advantages, g90 did surprisingly well against a f90 comp which most likely had cold air intakes, downpipes, lowered for better launch, and Matt who’s a better driver plus he’s lighter…

you can see the engine bay of the cars which the f90 had stock intakes. We all know Intakes and DPs don’t do much of anything without a tune. And when they removed the race chip the 11.1 is very standard for what stock f90s have run on carwow over the years. Lowering the car for better launch? That’s a stretch. 11.1 is very much in line with stock times.

The take aways for me is that the cars are very close in performance, overall the f90 is slightly faster in the 1/4 and roll which was expected given the hp/weight figures and the g90 is slightly quicker off the line due to electrification.

[CarlosM4]

The G90 is slower than the M5 F90 CP LCI, there is no way around that fact. That F90 other than the piggyback was bone stock, noticeable by its exhaust and sound. The G90 is as fast as the M5 F90 non CP without the LCI. I drove the G90 extensively in the autobahn, the difference is the pick up. In the real world, like Chris Harris said the G90 will be 2 car lengths ahead before the F90 starts moving. But the F90 CP LCI is faster, I felt it through my butt.

Another thing the top end power in the G90 is monumental (weight is less important than power at 150mph plus), the G90 pulls really hard to the limiter.

[ASAP]

the weight rears its head again

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

The G90 is slower than the M5 F90 CP LCI, there is no way around that fact. That F90 other than the piggyback was bone stock, noticeable by its exhaust and sound. The G90 is as fast as the M5 F90 non CP without the LCI. I drove the G90 extensively in the autobahn, the difference is the pick up. In the real world, like Chris Harris said the G90 will be 2 car lengths ahead before the F90 starts moving. But the F90 CP LCI is faster, I felt it through my butt.

Another thing the top end power in the G90 is monumental (weight is less important than power at 150mph plus), the G90 pulls really hard to the limiter.

I totally agree with everything you said
I still think the g90 will have a better rolling then the f90 given instant torque
The car does not have intake but i think may have a downpipe or exhaust
It pops a lot abd it is liud for a european version of f90

[GJBFI]

We shouldn't conclude too quickly either. That's the result they got that day, with that particular car. The results can vary a lot from one time to another, the proof is that Mat Watson tested the F90 comp several times with very different results which varied from 11.1 sec to 12.5 sec. It will be the same with the G90. Basically they are two cars with similar performance and both are very fast. If the only important thing was the 1/4 mile we would all have bought Tesla Palids for less...

[overcooked]

No one can defeat physics.

[IMS-340C]

Catless DPs makes a relatively big difference like 20 HP or 0.5 seconds 100-200 km/h on a stock 320 HP 340i, so it will be even more on a 580 HP engine

Originally Posted by will0621

We all know Intakes and DPs don’t do much of anything without a tune.

[IMS-340C]

True, but the G90 with lower P/W ratio destroyed the F10 M5 in the drag race.

Looks like the G90's HP is extremely underrated from BMW.

Originally Posted by overcooked

No one can defeat physics.

[thaalrasha]

I'm finding strange the G90 did not obliterate the F90 on a rolling race. Makes no sense to me, the pickup on that car is brutal.

[beaups]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

I'm finding strange the G90 did not obliterate the F90 on a rolling race. Makes no sense to me, the pickup on that car is brutal.

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

True, but the G90 with lower P/W ratio destroyed the F10 M5 in the drag race.

Looks like the G90's HP is extremely underrated from BMW.

They are all underrated. F10 with RWD is near impossible to launch.

[subterFUSE]

F90 > G90

[IMS-340C]

G90 also destroyed F10 in the rolling race.

Originally Posted by beaups

They are all underrated. F10 with RWD is near impossible to launch.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

Catless DPs makes a relatively big difference like 20 HP or 0.5 seconds 100-200 km/h on a stock 320 HP 340i, so it will be even more on a 580 HP engine

Its pretty clear the M5 F90 doesn't have Catless DP or Intake.

[IMS-340C]

Did you even read what I was replying to ?

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Its pretty clear the M5 F90 doesn't have Catless DP or Intake.

[GJBFI]

If Yanni had used the "boost function" during the second rolling race, the result would have been different. Same thing for the Xdrive, we don't know if it was in 4WD or 4WD sport, it can certainly make a difference of 0.2 seconds

[josec70]

It is obvious that the F90 was a huge improvement in performance over the F10.

It is also obvious that the delta in performance between the F90 and the G90 is non-existant, and therein lies the quandry.

After 6 M5’s dating back to my first M5 which was an E39, I will not be migrating to the G90, at least not this iteration. I will happily stay in my current 22’ M5C as there is nothing compelling me to make the move.

For those that will undoubtedly question my comments … yes, I can afford a G90 and yes, I have extensively driven it as my brother owns one.

And yes, this is just my opinion and not an indictment on this car. I’m sure many value the PHEV and new styling etc and I respect that.

A G90 with performance that is measurably better than it’s predecessor could tilt my mind in another direction. Unfortunately, this is not that car.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

If Yanni had used the "boost function" during the second rolling race, the result would have been different. Same thing for the Xdrive, we don't know if it was in 4WD or 4WD sport, it can certainly make a difference of 0.2 seconds

yeah lots left unsaid and the F90 was sketchy on top of that with the owner conveniently forgetting there was a fuckin' race chip installed lol wonder what else he forgot to mention was on it

I don't really care either way though, both cars are faster then you need on the street unless you live in Germany near the unrestricted autobahn areas

[A_]

Many times M5 Competition F90 has done 11.1s in the carwow so this is the correct time for the series. There is also the M5 CS F90, which is even faster than the Competition version. It has to be said that the new generation G90 is slower and that's that.