[BajanE92]

Not a fan so far. Will await the final release before casting further judgement.

[hb]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

One has to bet on it being same timing as G60 with their focus on cost out. If it’s not it would only be due to runout of old parts and availability of new.

Parts are not usually the issue. They need to keep spare parts for a very long time, each market has different rules. This has to do with standardizing the design language at some point, but not for all models.

[Rohardi]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

One has to bet on it being same timing as G60 with their focus on cost out. If it’s not it would only be due to runout of old parts and availability of new.

I don't know if it's because they had an abundance of the headlights available, but Ford did something interesting with the Gen 2 Raptor LCI. 2017 and 18 were pre LCI for the F150 line up. In 2019, the F150 received an LCI with Refreshed headlights that were significantly different than the ones in the 17s and 18s. The Headlights on the Raptor never received the headilight LCI. The entire run of the Gen 2 Raptor (2017 - 2021) they had the original headlights and the Raptor was the only F150 in the line up post LCI that had those lights... It was weird. Not sure why it happened. So weird things happen with LCIs on special models sometimes....

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by hb

Parts are not usually the issue. They need to keep spare parts for a very long time, each market has different rules. This has to do with standardizing the design language at some point, but not for all models.

Thanks HB. I trust your judgement as I know you clearly have more direct contact and info. I was going by my experience of multiple decades in consumer product manufacturing changeovers. Different from what BMW does. They are more product/design driven than my company/industry was.

[lonestar22]

Originally Posted by 1Percenter

The end of a classic design is upon us 😞


I really hope the design grows on me over the next few years.

The neue klasse is more classic than the classic design you're talking about.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Rohardi

I don't know if it's because they had an abundance of the headlights available, but Ford did something interesting with the Gen 2 Raptor LCI. 2017 and 18 were pre LCI for the F150 line up. In 2019, the F150 received an LCI with Refreshed headlights that were significantly different than the ones in the 17s and 18s. The Headlights on the Raptor never received the headilight LCI. The entire run of the Gen 2 Raptor (2017 - 2021) they had the original headlights and the Raptor was the only F150 in the line up post LCI that had those lights... It was weird. Not sure why it happened. So weird things happen with LCIs on special models sometimes....

That’s because the Raptor was a low volume model with a bespoke facia design based around the 2017 headlight. Changing the headlights would require changing the facia too; additional cost for a low volume model that was a hot seller the way it was.

Same thing happened with the last Gen Camaro ZL1; the SS and V6 models got beat with the ugly stick, and the ZL1 kept the original (and way better looking) facia and headlight design.

[White340]

What are thoughts on this interior in an M5? That steering wheel with the vertical bar is just insanely odd to me. Also, nothing about this dash is luxurious or sporty. Screams basic Tesla layout to me. I'm so disappointed with everything BMW is doing these days.

[Aalfred]

The NK class front reminds me of the old Lincoln. Plus the panoscreen is already available on the Lincoln natuilus. So nothing new here. Can’t believe BMW engineers are now copying Ford/Lincoln

[farishat]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Front end side profile lines remind of the outgoing Charger, with the camo at least.

Yes, they stole a great American design.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by White340

What are thoughts on this interior in an M5? That steering wheel with the vertical bar is just insanely odd to me. Also, nothing about this dash is luxurious or sporty. Screams basic Tesla layout to me. I'm so disappointed with everything BMW is doing these days.

I'm trying to reserve judgement until I see it in a car, definitely a wild step forward in design though. Looks like something you'd see in a movie set in the future

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by White340

What are thoughts on this interior in an M5? That steering wheel with the vertical bar is just insanely odd to me. Also, nothing about this dash is luxurious or sporty. Screams basic Tesla layout to me. I'm so disappointed with everything BMW is doing these days.

Its horrendous. Its more gaudy then a tesla. This is the worst interior mega redesign I have ever seen. Genesis has lots of screens but they manage to still integrate them into the car. . .

There is no chance in hell you can corner properly with that stupid shaped wheel. . . A flat bottom is one thing but how do you let it slide and roll through your hands? This is the interior of a car you are driven in (Uber/Lyft etc). It has no earthly place in an M car or even an M lite car.

[brianeck]

Just not to come off as negative Nancy. . . The exterior changes are pretty okay seeming. Im interested to see the new noses without camouflage. If they force the stupid space interior I will switch back to Audi though, flat out not even a question. This car and the new RS7 should be right in time for my current 5 year payoff.

[White340]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Just not to come off as negative Nancy. . . The exterior changes are pretty okay seeming. Im interested to see the new noses without camouflage. If they force the stupid space interior I will switch back to Audi though, flat out not even a question. This car and the new RS7 should be right in time for my current 5 year payoff.

I priced out an RS6 Avant today after watching Joe Achilles’ review of that car. I’ve never been an Audi guy but this car is quite nice.

[antzcrashing]

Who had that on their bingo card?

[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by White340

What are thoughts on this interior in an M5? That steering wheel with the vertical bar is just insanely odd to me. Also, nothing about this dash is luxurious or sporty. Screams basic Tesla layout to me. I'm so disappointed with everything BMW is doing these days.

Surly there will be an M specific steering wheel

[Rohardi]

Originally Posted by White340

What are thoughts on this interior in an M5? That steering wheel with the vertical bar is just insanely odd to me. Also, nothing about this dash is luxurious or sporty. Screams basic Tesla layout to me. I'm so disappointed with everything BMW is doing these days.

I was planning on waiting till the LCI update in a few years, But this interior would be a deal breaker for me.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Its horrendous. Its more gaudy then a tesla. This is the worst interior mega redesign I have ever seen. Genesis has lots of screens but they manage to still integrate them into the car. . .

There is no chance in hell you can corner properly with that stupid shaped wheel. . . A flat bottom is one thing but how do you let it slide and roll through your hands? This is the interior of a car you are driven in (Uber/Lyft etc). It has no earthly place in an M car or even an M lite car.

Well if we all drove as I was taught by my CCA HPDE instructors, you never let the wheel slide/roll through your hands as the car exits the turn. You are always holding the wheel. But yeah, I really dislike that square wheel and most people don’t drive like we’re taught in HPDE.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Well if we all drove as I was taught by my CCA HPDE instructors, you never let the wheel slide/roll through your hands as the car exits the turn. You are always holding the wheel. But yeah, I really dislike that square wheel and most people don’t drive like we’re taught in HPDE.

yeah not supposed to do that plus by the looks of it you actually could still do it, just wouldn't be as comfortable. Vid on it from BMWblog:

[Remigijus]

Regarding the interior, steering wheel, light, and front design expect more details as the new M3











https://cochespias.net/foros/debate/...erie-3/page/5/

[Rohardi]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Regarding the interior, steering wheel, light, and front design expect more details as the new M3











https://cochespias.net/foros/debate/...erie-3/page/5/

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little... It really does look like the Lincoln with the headlights/grill...

[FSHNGRY]

I don’t get it? Already testing the facelift?

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Thenaven

Maybe I’ll give up my G 90 if they get rid of the hybrid engine :-)

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Cool story and all.

But I'm perfectly fine with the current G90, which I'm considering adding to the garage. I only need BMW to add:
Soft Close Doors
More Interior Color Options
Less Plastic inside

Folks, with the greatest of respect, what is it with Americans and soft-close doors?
All of you seem to lament its omission yet I regard it as utterly pointless.
BMW’s doors are not challenging to close in the normal manner so what’s the allure of the electromechanical closure?
My X5 had it and 99/100 times the door would shut perfectly despite low swing velocity, only very occasionally would the soft-close system be called upon.
So, the singular benefit may be for a ‘silent shut’ if one had very particular needs for same where the car is in use???