[pbonsalb]

Lucid is very limited production. Could be like owning an exotic car. Inconvenient and expensive to maintain and repair and insure. If you own one only during warranty and live near a dealer, have another car to drive and obtain insurance rates that are reasonable to you, it makes more sense. If I could have any EV, it would be the top Lucid — Air Sapphire or whatever the $250k version is called. Fast, well appointed, well built by all accounts.

[CLTMDA]

I owned the Grand Touring and I could not imagine the need for a Sapphire under almost any circumstances. They give you three levels of performance to choose from in the Grand Touring. The most aggressive would bump the available hp from 600+ to 890 if I remember correctly and you had to acknowledge the warning that would pop up on the screen. I might have driven in the mode a handful of times in the time I owned the car. It was insane and you definitely do not need the 1000+ of the first limited edition models or the 1300+ of the Sapphire.

As far as service, they were actually more timely and easier than my local BMW or MB dealer as they would send a mobile tech to my house the couple of times I needed it. I only needed it shortly after delivery to correct a few things as well as once for the annual service, all done in my garage. They have a very good warranty as well. It required far less service than any other BMW, MB or Porsche I have owned other than my current X5 which I have owned almost a year and will be taking it in for the first time for annual service.

Insurance was no different. All this talk and rehashing my experience makes me want to go out and reacquire another Lucid Grand Touring as a second car and pass the X5 on to the wife to replace her 2018 MB GLS.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

I owned the Grand Touring and I could not imagine the need for a Sapphire under almost any circumstances. They give you three levels of performance to choose from in the Grand Touring. The most aggressive would bump the available hp from 600+ to 890 if I remember correctly and you had to acknowledge the warning that would pop up on the screen. I might have driven in the mode a handful of times in the time I owned the car. It was insane and you definitely do not need the 1000+ of the first limited edition models or the 1300+ of the Sapphire.

As far as service, they were actually more timely and easier than my local BMW or MB dealer as they would send a mobile tech to my house the couple of times I needed it. I only needed it shortly after delivery to correct a few things as well as once for the annual service, all done in my garage. They have a very good warranty as well. It required far less service than any other BMW, MB or Porsche I have owned other than my current X5 which I have owned almost a year and will be taking it in for the first time for annual service.

Insurance was no different. All this talk and rehashing my experience makes me want to go out and reacquire another Lucid Grand Touring as a second car and pass the X5 on to the wife to replace her 2018 MB GLS.

Thanks for the insight regarding service and reliability. I've been tracking your comments in this thread as you are a previous owner. My needs are pretty simple. I need a replacement for my RWD BMW sedan that will deliver reliability and economy at a level my 325i has for the past 18 years. I have no desire for a 800 HP AWD super sedan. RWD with a 4.5 sec. 0 - 60 is more than adequate. 400 miles of battery range is where adoption of EV nears my threshold.

I think I could live with 400 miles and 200 miles in 17 minutes recovery. I still have reservations of using the public infrastructure on road trips because it seems like it takes too much planning based on my monitoring of threads on the Mustang Mach E forum.

[CLTMDA]

There are quite a few apps that make it easier to plan (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/), showing charging plans based on route, charger availability, etc. It is better to run the battery down to 10% or less as the charging curves are much better when starting at a lower point. You will never feel as confident though on a road trip than you do with an ICE vehicle, at least not yet and depending on location. There are still too many places that would be considered a charging desert.

400 miles of range in my Lucid was NEVER an issue for me. It was always more than that by a significant amount. Charging speed depended on the charger location and where you were on the curve for the most part. I have a charger at home so it was only an issue on road trips and I did leave the Lucid at home on a few trips due to charging uncertainty. It had nothing to do with the car, but rather the infrastructure.

The price for a slightly used Lucid is a real bargain in my opinion if you understand the limitations and use case.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

There are quite a few apps that make it easier to plan (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/), showing charging plans based on route, charger availability, etc. It is better to run the battery down to 10% or less as the charging curves are much better when starting at a lower point. You will never feel as confident though on a road trip than you do with an ICE vehicle, at least not yet and depending on location. There are still too many places that would be considered a charging desert.

400 miles of range in my Lucid was NEVER an issue for me. It was always more than that by a significant amount. Charging speed depended on the charger location and where you were on the curve for the most part. I have a charger at home so it was only an issue on road trips and I did leave the Lucid at home on a few trips due to charging uncertainty. It had nothing to do with the car, but rather the infrastructure.

The price for a slightly used Lucid is a real bargain in my opinion if you understand the limitations and use case.

The Fuel.gov site states the 2023 Air Grand Touring has an EPA rating of 469 miles. In real world experience are you saying your car achieved 400+ range on a consistent basis? A few reviews of the Air Pure state a real world range is just above 300 (vs. 420 rating). It seems the Pure loses about 30% range in cold weather. I know you ran yours mainly in the south. Any insight is appreciated.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Fuel.gov site states the 2023 Air Grand Touring has an EPA rating of 469 miles. In real world experience are you saying your car achieved 400+ range on a consistent basis? A few reviews of the Air Pure state a real world range is just above 300 (vs. 420 rating). It seems the Pure loses about 30% range in cold weather. I know you ran yours mainly in the south. Any insight is appreciated.

I'm not sure what's considered "real world" but I have seen many videos online of people who basically drive EVs until they die and the Lucids always seem to do better than their stated range. Usually these test are highway driving at some set speed like 70 mph until it drops to a low enough level where the car puts itself in limp mode or whatever EVs call it then they drive on side streets until it dies.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I'm not sure what's considered "real world" but I have seen many videos online of people who basically drive EVs until they die and the Lucids always seem to do better than their stated range. Usually these test are highway driving at some set speed like 70 mph until it drops to a low enough level where the car puts itself in limp mode or whatever EVs call it then they drive on side streets until it dies.

For me real world means efficiency over the four seasons of operation. ICEV do not change 30% in efficiency in the winter or summer. 300 miles in winter would be tolerable for my intended use case, which is basically the Air Pure's EPA range at 70%.