[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Zav.f90

in what world would lowering, exhaust, or intakes void warranty

Not all dealership are mods friendly.
So, at the end of day, it would depends on the dealership.
As I have mentioned, I have seen east coast dealerships installs catless downpipe, lowering spring, and other mods.

Originally Posted by ednir98

Ha. You'd be surprised. Stroll into your dealer with a blown engine and they'll blame anything aftermarket that they can. Techs make no money on warranty work.

This is all because of many that flash tune the car and not willing to take responsibility when they blow up the engine due to aggressive tune.

Originally Posted by hdahman

What about the TQ limit on the transmission?
Heard people saying BMW tuned down the g90/99 otherwise the transmission won’t keep up with the TQ.

Supposedly it can handle up to 1000 Nm.

Originally Posted by hdahman

I am not sure if I understood you correctly. Though, if unnoticeable, what would be the other benefit of installing the chip?

To make a noticeable difference on 5000lbs+ weight, it will need more than 100hp gain to notice a noticeable gain.

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Surprising considering others are getting around 700 whp STOCK

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I thought the same thing…

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

So this thread is claiming 621 whp stock.
The other thread claimed 678 whp stock and people ended up +800 hp crank!
Looks like 717 hp crank is not too far away real. Maybe 730-750?

Anyone can make more hp. The question is, will it be a safe and reliable power gain?
Since the day I started selling RaceChip, I haven’t seen a single blown engine caused by it.
While the other brands, many.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

Anyone can make more hp. The question is, will it be a safe and reliable power gain?
Since the day I started selling RaceChip, I haven’t seen a single blown engine caused by it.
While the other brands, many.

Correct.
However,my point was the actual stock numbers.

To your point people need to have good understanding about drivetrain and other components. Adding HP is not just engine. It will affect manythings including gearbox, differential, joints, suspension,etc.
So even if engine is not blown up, we need to know the spec/limit of all of them.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Correct.
However,my point was the actual stock numbers.

To your point people need to have good understanding about drivetrain and other components. Adding HP is not just engine. It will affect manythings including gearbox, differential, joints, suspension,etc.
So even if engine is not blown up, we need to know the spec/limit of all of them.

Different dyno type. The one that Germany uses is the most consistent reading, next to Mustang Dyno.
The main key is the Delta.

Exactly, there a lot to consider than just hp gain.
But, most guys are just want to go fast on the straight line.

[IMS-340C]

Well I wasn't here in those 999 times and here's my take on it and hopefully it will end the debate.
From my experience in tuning if BMW want to know if any car exceeded stock parameters, they WILL KNOW

Originally Posted by Gfit

Are we really going to turn this into another debate whether or not a plug n play tune voids the warranty for the 1,000th time and end up the same place we always do?

[Mrproper86]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

Anyone can make more hp. The question is, will it be a safe and reliable power gain?
Since the day I started selling RaceChip, I haven’t seen a single blown engine caused by it.
While the other brands, many.

So why aren’t they fully covering any damages to the powertrain? ( not just 10k lole racechip). I f they truly believe their system wont cause any harm, they shouldn’t have a problem covering any tuning related damages to the powertrain. They dont because they dont have the research and development budget to actually see how their tunes affect the vehicle long term. Literally the car just came out and tunes are already available.

[IMS-340C]

Come on, who would sell you a $800 product and warranty a $20,000 gearbox or engine ?

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

So why aren’t they fully covering any damages to the powertrain? ( not just 10k lole racechip). I f they truly believe their system wont cause any harm, they shouldn’t have a problem covering any tuning related damages to the powertrain. They dont because they dont have the research and development budget to actually see how their tunes affect the vehicle long term. Literally the car just came out and tunes are already available.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

So why aren’t they fully covering any damages to the powertrain? ( not just 10k lole racechip). I f they truly believe their system wont cause any harm, they shouldn’t have a problem covering any tuning related damages to the powertrain. They dont because they dont have the research and development budget to actually see how their tunes affect the vehicle long term. Literally the car just came out and tunes are already available.

It is called experience.
Engine is the same as G09 XM, G05/G06/G07 X5/X6/X7 M60i, F95/F95 LCI X5M/X6M, and many others.
We have plenty of data from S68.
Especially S68 Hybrid Engine since I have G09 XM and we have spent enough time collecting data and testing. Had RaceChip on my XM since first month after the break-in period and it has been 18 months on it flawlessly.

[Mrproper86]

Originally Posted by IMS-340C

Come on, who would sell you a $800 product and warranty a $20,000 gearbox or engine ?

Dodge covers all their stage1-2 kits with full factory warranty. Harley se also covers all their stage 1-4 kits under factory warranty even their 400$ tuner keeps the factory warranty in place. Also carbahn offers full warranty. So yes, if they feel confident with messing with the ecu,they should cover any damages caused/related to the tuner.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Dodge covers all their stage1-2 kits with full factory warranty. Harley se also covers all their stage 1-4 kits under factory warranty even their 400$ tuner keeps the factory warranty in place. Also carbahn offers full warranty. So yes, if they feel confident with messing with the ecu,they should cover any damages caused/related to the tuner.

Don't you wish every manufacturers doing business the same way, then we won't have this arguments.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Dodge covers all their stage1-2 kits with full factory warranty. Harley se also covers all their stage 1-4 kits under factory warranty even their 400$ tuner keeps the factory warranty in place. Also carbahn offers full warranty. So yes, if they feel confident with messing with the ecu,they should cover any damages caused/related to the tuner.

ehh no way I'd want to be on the hook for this hybrid powertrain just cause I sold someone a tune, dodge and harleys are 'so simple a caveman can do it' setups by comparison

If you wanna mess with tunes be prepared to pay for it, nobody is forcing you to install anything

[Igor_M5]

Looks like a lot first time BMW owners here 🤭

[IMS-340C]

Every engine has a chance to be defected from factory, even if it's by just 0.001% who would take the risk if this happened and of course everybody will blame the tuner or the tune box for the failure even though it's not their fault rather than blaming the manufacturer.

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Dodge covers all their stage1-2 kits with full factory warranty. Harley se also covers all their stage 1-4 kits under factory warranty even their 400$ tuner keeps the factory warranty in place. Also carbahn offers full warranty. So yes, if they feel confident with messing with the ecu,they should cover any damages caused/related to the tuner.

[Pickle of the Turk]

I don't have a G9x nor do I have one on order any time soon but - does this require an unlock or anything?

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Pickle of the Turk

I don't have a G9x nor do I have one on order any time soon but - does this require an unlock or anything?

No unlock needed.

[UtahBimmerBoy]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

So why aren’t they fully covering any damages to the powertrain? ( not just 10k lole racechip). I f they truly believe their system wont cause any harm, they shouldn’t have a problem covering any tuning related damages to the powertrain. They dont because they dont have the research and development budget to actually see how their tunes affect the vehicle long term. Literally the car just came out and tunes are already available.

You act as if there’s some kind of industry standard of warranties on tuned vehicles.

That’s something you’ll literally never hear of because why would any company warranty something that is directly shortening the lifespan of the engine?

BMW itself already hates giving out warranty work, a small tuning company is definitely not going to have the capacity to pay for a $30,000 S68 powertrain.

[Mrproper86]

Originally Posted by UtahBimmerBoy

You act as if there’s some kind of industry standard of warranties on tuned vehicles.

That’s something you’ll literally never hear of because why would any company warranty something that is directly shortening the lifespan of the engine?

BMW itself already hates giving out warranty work, a small tuning company is definitely not going to have the capacity to pay for a $30,000 S68 powertrain.

Exactly my point.

[Igor_M5]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Exactly my point.

Then grammar is not your strongest trait 🙂
Your previous replies put you on the other side of the table, where your point is not so exact to his lol

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by UtahBimmerBoy

You act as if there’s some kind of industry standard of warranties on tuned vehicles.

That’s something you’ll literally never hear of because why would any company warranty something that is directly shortening the lifespan of the engine?

BMW itself already hates giving out warranty work, a small tuning company is definitely not going to have the capacity to pay for a $30,000 S68 powertrain.

Other than Dinan (owned by a large Public Company) I bet these other shops offering a warranty are getting insurance policies for it. This way the shop has a fixed cost of the premiums and isn’t having to worry about either a claim never being made or paying to replace a whole engine.

Also, I bet an S68 is way more than $30k installed. For reference, an EA825 (RS6 current motor) is about $45k installed.

[Mrproper86]

Originally Posted by Igor_M5

Then grammar is not your strongest trait 🙂
Your previous replies put you on the other side of the table, where your point is not so exact to his lol

Some speak more then one language, and English is not my native language. So move on bud😘😘

[r33_RGSport]

Seems like I made this post somewhat late.
Racechip’s competitor that cost more, more aggressive gain, and no engine warranty didn’t get the same questions.

[Igor_M5]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

Seems like I made this post somewhat late.
Racechip’s competitor that cost more, more aggressive gain, and no engine warranty didn’t get the same questions.

The fact that we’re discussing warranty relating to anything outside the physical product is ♿️

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Igor_M5

The fact that we’re discussing warranty relating to anything outside the physical product is ♿️

Is that a speeding handicap person on a wheel chair emoji?
Now that’s what we should discuss !!!
If you are be able to speed on a wheelchair, no more warranty on anything with wheels.