[eanto]

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

Shows lack of understanding you got.

and your lack of respect. here we respect everyone’s opinions not insult them. be kind, we are all bmw lovers here

[1dopem5]

Originally Posted by eanto

you’re complaining that other people don’t like a car you like??

Dude, i dont think people understand this thread, I m on the same page as everyone, all im saying is , "it is what it is" move on. Complaining about it wont change a thing.

[eanto]

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

Dude, i dont think people understand this thread, I m on the same page as everyone, all im saying is , "it is what it is" move on. Complaining about it wont change a thing.

we are expressing our opinions on the car not complaining

[eanto]

this forum is about expressing ourselves with respect and kindness. not tearing each other apart. be nice please

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

The XM is rated by BMW to hit 0-60 in 3.7s, and it was tested at 3.7s so there is no under-reporting of stats like in the F90 where 0-60 times were significantly faster than BMW reported. Interestingly, the XM has the same drivetrain and is only 500lb heavier than the G90 M5. Therefore, I think the G90 will actually only hit 0-60 in 3.4s.

It’s reported 0-200km/h is faster than F90.
It’s been a long time since I did a standstill to 62.5 (100Km/h).
If it has strong midrange, and it will, it’ll do me. Especially at the price point it’s now reached in my market.

[robfen]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

It’s reported 0-200km/h is faster than F90.
It’s been a long time since I did a standstill to 62.5 (100Km/h).
If it has strong midrange, and it will, it’ll do me. Especially at the price point it’s now reached in my market.

I have a 550e and the mid range is really strong better, than the m340i I had previously.

It makes little boost noises when the electric motor kicks in and you can feel the extra torque on top of the b58.

this m5 will be epic!

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

It’s reported 0-200km/h is faster than F90.
It’s been a long time since I did a standstill to 62.5 (100Km/h).
If it has strong midrange, and it will, it’ll do me. Especially at the price point it’s now reached in my market.

Not faster than the Competition M5 and no where no near close to the F90 CS.


It will probably be fast, likely M5 F90 LCI fast.

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

It’s reported 0-200km/h is faster than F90.
It’s been a long time since I did a standstill to 62.5 (100Km/h).
If it has strong midrange, and it will, it’ll do me. Especially at the price point it’s now reached in my market.

Where is that reported? I’m seeing for 0-200:

G90: 10.9s
F90: 10.3s

It wouldn’t make sense for the G90 to be faster in a straight line given its much worse hp/lb figures we’ve all seen. I was using the example from the XM that the reported and actual 0-60 numbers were exact; in other words, BMW didn’t under report performance for the XM, its recent flagship M product. Just interesting since people think the G90 will be faster than BMW’s reported numbers. I’m not so sure anymore.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Where is that reported? I’m seeing for 0-200:

G90: 10.9s
F90: 10.3s

It wouldn’t make sense for the G90 to be faster in a straight line given its much worse hp/lb figures we’ve all seen. I was using the example from the XM that the reported and actual 0-60 numbers were exact; in other words, BMW didn’t under report performance for the XM, its recent flagship M product. Just interesting since people think the G90 will be faster than BMW’s reported numbers. I’m not so sure anymore.

The quoted time for the
F90 M5: 11.1s
F90 M5 Competition: 10.8s
F90 M5 CS: 10.3s

Nonetheless the quoted time for the G90 is disappointing.

[footie]

Some cars shrink around you whilst driving but the new 5 series isn't one of them and neither does the Panamera both feel big and the added weight only amplifies this fact. No doubt the trick suspension will work wonders controlling lean, dive etc but the basic fact is these are very big cars, 7 series was this size not that long ago.

I just don't see the point in Hybrid when you have the same weight as a fully electric equivalent which with a tweak of it's motors could produce even more power and torque. This thing is pure marketing.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by footie

Some cars shrink around you whilst driving but the new 5 series isn't one of them and neither does the Panamera both feel big and the added weight only amplifies this fact. No doubt the trick suspension will work wonders controlling lean, dive etc but the basic fact is these are very big cars, 7 series was this size not that long ago.

I just don't see the point in Hybrid when you have the same weight as a fully electric equivalent which with a tweak of it's motors could produce even more power and torque. This thing is pure marketing.

It’s way heavier than a pure EV. My S Plaid is 602 pounds lighter than the G90 M5.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

M division sells more in the us than any other country. Or combination of countries (eu) is not a single country. China being number one market outside of M cars world wide.


They could have left M cars like the M5 alone. They don’t need to mess with these cars for being their emissions targets. I mean I have a 23 x5mc which is great and I love it but it’s a suv. LET meet repeat that for the guys in the back of the room that can’t hear well. IT’S AN SUV. And it weights 5400 ish lbs and it’s great and I love it for what it is. A sedan especially a high performance sedan that’s supposed to be ready for the race track from the factory has no business weighing as much. Nor do I want a sedan that weighs that much. Secondly. The complete slap in the face was making the car slower than last gen. As they freaking kidding? They couldn’t at least make this heavy pig faster than last gen in a straight line? At the very least? This car is under Peter
Power for its weight. It needs 800+ hp and could really have it. But no? Why? So they can milk morons into buying the comp trim next year with the proper hp? Aka xm label. Ya no thanks. That why I passed on my allocation. I was number one at the dealer.

The US is a group of States.
The EU is a lot more than separate countries but this is not the forum for geopolitical education.
Bottom line, the regulatory environment in the EU is what’s made BMW make this car a PHEV.
BMW will sell an awful lot more hybrid M cars in the EU than purely ICE models, and it’s all because of tax here.
Like, the taxes in the EU are ludicrous. But then, our healthcare systems cover all citizens so I guess we all have swings and roundabouts.
I thought you might find the base prices of some M models in Ireland interesting. See attached image.

In any event, I hear you. I’m not thrilled about the weight either. But for me, it’s a case of afford the heavy, hybrid, car or not afford the ICE version as our Govs price us out.

Whether we like it or not, the EU has bought into the CO2-related global warming thing and until that changes… this is how it’s gonna be.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Not faster than the Competition M5 and no where no near close to the F90 CS.


It will probably be fast, likely M5 F90 LCI fast.

As a driver of a 545e PHEV I am confident the news will be good in terms of performance as folk start to drive it.
BMW’s PHEV drivetrain is sublime and I’m speaking based on personal, daily experience.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by robfen

I have a 550e and the mid range is really strong better, than the m340i I had previously.

It makes little boost noises when the electric motor kicks in and you can feel the extra torque on top of the b58.

this m5 will be epic!

I drive the G30 LCI 545e. Same setup as yours broadly.

Agree wholeheartedly… I came out of an F10 M5, see image, and the 545e did not feel underpowered.

Transplanting an S63 into that mix to replace the B58… machine’s gonna be epic.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

Where is that reported? I’m seeing for 0-200:

G90: 10.9s
F90: 10.3s

It wouldn’t make sense for the G90 to be faster in a straight line given its much worse hp/lb figures we’ve all seen. I was using the example from the XM that the reported and actual 0-60 numbers were exact; in other words, BMW didn’t under report performance for the XM, its recent flagship M product. Just interesting since people think the G90 will be faster than BMW’s reported numbers. I’m not so sure anymore.

Reported here:


“And speed is the name of the game for this sedan: 3.4 seconds is all it needs to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h, and it reaches 200 km/h in 11.1 seconds. Its maximum speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h, but this limit can be increased to 305 km/h with the optional M Drivers Package.”

Source:

https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/maga...ers%20Package.


G90 0-200 of 10.9 reported by M CEO @45secs in this video:

As a 545e driver, I expect the G90 will not disappoint. Sure, an M2C will be more fun on the track. But, for what it’s made for, the M5 will be a cracker.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

As a driver of a 545e PHEV I am confident the news will be good in terms of performance as folk start to drive it.
BMW’s PHEV drivetrain is sublime and I’m speaking based on personal, daily experience.

I owned a 330e and although I liked its PHEV powertrain, I don't think its well suited for a sporty car.

I think the G90 M5 will be great for daily use, but the point is that if you want a PHEV BMW for daily use get a 550e, it makes far more sense and its definitely fast and 300kg lighter lol. I drove a X5 50e extensively and believe me when I say this, its pretty close to the X5M from previous gen

The M5 is supposed to feel special, to be different in terms of handling and driving feel. I am not sure that will be achieved with its weight. I feel like a 550e is far better compromise and jack of all trades.

I like the idea of a V8 with hybrid assistance but I would have preferred a far less hefty solution.

[footie]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It’s way heavier than a pure EV. My S Plaid is 602 pounds lighter than the G90 M5.

I actually meant the equivalent car which was the i5M60 which is only 0.9s slower to 200Km/h and was a fraction of the cost the M5 will be to lease but yeah even most EVs don't have to be as heavy as they are.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I like the idea of a V8 with hybrid assistance but I would have preferred a far less hefty solution.

Yes, it should have been like an F1 hybrid setup, not a hybrid BEV car that can drive on battery alone.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yes, it should have been like an F1 hybrid setup, not a hybrid BEV car that can drive on battery alone.

It’s a car full of compromises and does not achieve either goal really. Not for that kind of money imo. It doesn’t have enough ev only range to make a difference on its own and yet its to heavy on the ice side of things to achieve the goal of high performance track weapon. Lastly they de tuned the 4.4l tt v8. Why? No one has asked them why? Simple question that I think is fair and bails ask. Yet not one person that has interviewed anyone from bmw has asked. Ridiculous.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yes, it should have been like an F1 hybrid setup, not a hybrid BEV car that can drive on battery alone.

Exactly. They chose the half assed solution of just sticking the XM powertrain, instead of going for a performance oriented hybrid system. The car would be 200kg lighter

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

Reported here:
As a 545e driver, I expect the G90 will not disappoint. Sure, an M2C will be more fun on the track. But, for what it’s made for, the M5 will be a cracker.

The G90 has too much similarity to the XM, it is the exact same power train. Here's some actual 0-200 kph times:

F90: 10.3s
F90C: 9.3s
XM: 13.6s
i5 M60: 12.0s

The F90 obviously is light, but the i5 is 200lb lighter than the G90. The XM is 500 lb heavier. Just interesting to see where the G90 numbers end up. The 0-60 will likely be 3.2-3.4s but the 0-200kph may be closer to 11s.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

The G90 has too much similarity to the XM, it is the exact same power train. Here's some actual 0-200 kph times:

F90: 10.3s
F90C: 9.3s
XM: 13.6s
i5 M60: 12.0s

The F90 obviously is light, but the i5 is 200lb lighter than the G90. The XM is 500 lb heavier. Just interesting to see where the G90 numbers end up. The 0-60 will likely be 3.2-3.4s but the 0-200kph may be closer to 11s.

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I owned a 330e and although I liked its PHEV powertrain, I don't think its well suited for a sporty car.

I think the G90 M5 will be great for daily use, but the point is that if you want a PHEV BMW for daily use get a 550e, it makes far more sense and its definitely fast and 300kg lighter lol. I drove a X5 50e extensively and believe me when I say this, its pretty close to the X5M from previous gen

The M5 is supposed to feel special, to be different in terms of handling and driving feel. I am not sure that will be achieved with its weight. I feel like a 550e is far better compromise and jack of all trades.

I like the idea of a V8 with hybrid assistance but I would have preferred a far less hefty solution.

Ok, fair points.

But guess what: A similarly specced 550e to the G90 M5 I’ve ordered is just €21,400 less expensive.

Which would you order in that context?