[M5ddox]

Originally Posted by xmanpro

Damn this thread is off the rails

Oh yeah.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yeah, but Mercedes are better cars and cost more. They don't really compare directly. I owned an S63 AMG and BMW has nothing remotely comparable, nor does Audi.

I have a 2023 S8 currently, and it's about 10 years behind the 2023 Merc S580 in terms of features and tech. The S63 is just a whole different level above that.

Consumer Reports recently rated BMW #1 among auto manufacturers and MB near dead last. No tested MB model was recommended. MB has fallen far from what it once was.

[edwinm3]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yeah, but Mercedes are better cars and cost more. They don't really compare directly. I owned an S63 AMG and BMW has nothing remotely comparable, nor does Audi.

I have a 2023 S8 currently, and it's about 10 years behind the 2023 Merc S580 in terms of features and tech. The S63 is just a whole different level above that.

oh boy, get ready man, bimmer bros are gonna be mad at you

[FSHNGRY]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

They are comparable though.

Not comparable at all.

The new S63 is VERY impressive - I saw one at my local dealership- but it is also NO WHERE NEAR comparable in price point - aside from the dealer mark up ($50K) it was 230K

[ledphut]

Originally Posted by bandersen

But it’s a station wagon, right? Compare it to another high end performance wagon….

So I just drove a loaded 2024 Macan S that made the current X3 look & feel like a turd. (No disrespect to X3 owners)

Although way more money, newest Cayenne Turbo or GTS has X5/X7 beat on everything except iDrive.

Forget subjectives, I’m talking driving dynamics, quality of materials, fit/finish.. etc.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, but those with discerning taste that can mentally step away from owners bias and nostalgia will always find the Porsche product to be superior.

That’s why Porshe owners are dickheads! They know they are behind the wheel of the finest cars on the road.

Please chime in dickhead P-Car guys & gals!

[ledphut]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Going to disagree. When Porsche was just making sports cars, yes they were pretty much in their own segment but now with Macan’s, Cayenne’s and Panamera’s, they very much compete with the other German OEM’s - just at a very high premium.

Agree with your assessment except a competition implies a relatively close contest.

I write this as a longtime BMW owner & fanatic.

[Neptune7]

Other than a 911 or 718 I wouldn’t bother with a Porsche product. Not worth the premium. I’ve owned or driven their other models too.

The 911 of course is a masterpiece.

[GOLFFRR]

[JK479]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

This is just a sign of the times where least ordered options are closely evaluated by supply chain teams: keep or eliminate to reduce costs. BMW and other car manufacturers face the same dilemma every model year as inflationary pressure continues.

I know but soft close doors are so well done by BMW. I think it’s a mistake regardless of inflation.

They are “all in” for the stop start though. Plenty of budget for that standard option.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by FSHNGRY

The new S63 is VERY impressive - I saw one at my local dealership- but it is also NO WHERE NEAR comparable in price point - aside from the dealer mark up ($50K) it was 230K

that's insanity.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ledphut

So I just drove a loaded 2024 Macan S that made the current X3 look & feel like a turd. (No disrespect to X3 owners)

Although way more money, newest Cayenne Turbo or GTS has X5/X7 beat on everything except iDrive.

Forget subjectives, I’m talking driving dynamics, quality of materials, fit/finish.. etc.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, but those with discerning taste that can mentally step away from owners bias and nostalgia will always find the Porsche product to be superior.

That’s why Porshe owners are dickheads! They know they are behind the wheel of the finest cars on the road.

Please chime in dickhead P-Car guys & gals!

I owned a 992 Turbo S. And although a true masterpiece of a car, it was so "boring" when not driving quickly, I shifted to other cars.

I really like the brand and direction Porsche is heading, but I don't think its on a whole other level to BMW M, AMG or RS.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by ledphut

So I just drove a loaded 2024 Macan S that made the current X3 look & feel like a turd. (No disrespect to X3 owners)

Although way more money, newest Cayenne Turbo or GTS has X5/X7 beat on everything except iDrive.

Forget subjectives, I’m talking driving dynamics, quality of materials, fit/finish.. etc.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, but those with discerning taste that can mentally step away from owners bias and nostalgia will always find the Porsche product to be superior.

That’s why Porshe owners are dickheads! They know they are behind the wheel of the finest cars on the road.

Please chime in dickhead P-Car guys & gals!

I’ve driven the ‘24 Macan S and own 2 X3 30i’s and a G30 540i. The Macan definitely drives better than the X3, the materials are somewhat better until you compare to the X3M. I wanted to really like the Macan but at $90k decently equipped, it’s a 5-10% better driving vehicle at a 20% premium. Most Porsche’s are like that. Not arguing they are better driving dynamics, but the premium to get that isn’t worth it for many.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by ledphut

That’s why Porshe owners are dickheads! They know they are behind the wheel of the finest cars on the road.

Please chime in dickhead P-Car guys & gals!

Not “on the road” per se.

Porsche owners are mostly sitting in the car inside of their climate controlled, dust free garages making vroom vroom sounds so as not to put any miles on it and diminish the precious’s value.

[ledphut]

Originally Posted by ellipsis212

Not “on the road” per se.

Porsche owners are mostly sitting in the car inside of their climate controlled, dust free garages making vroom vroom sounds so as not to put any miles on it and diminish the precious’s value.

Now that’s funny! (And probably true)

[Gfit]

Why argue with strangers about what they like and don’t like? I really don’t get it.

[AllaVodka]

How can I buy puts on this garbage

[WWM3]

I wonder if the lack of a full leather option during the first few months of production will impact orders. Seems slightly odd to delay a popular feature IMO.

[Nighthawks]

Very excited for this!

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I wonder if the lack of a full leather option during the first few months of production will impact orders. Seems slightly odd to delay a popular feature IMO.

I would even wait for more interior colors

[Quadruple VANOS]

You don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict we’re going to see M5 Touring vs Panamera Turismo comparisons when the M5T is launched.

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

You don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict we’re going to see M5 Touring vs Panamera Turismo comparisons when the M5T is launched.

Except the turismo panamera won’t be made in the latest generation Panamera and the Panamera with the hybrid and active suspension is going to smoke the M5 in ever possible metric…

[SexyRoger]

Originally Posted by calbears

Order banks are open

Now this is a good looking car. BMW is back.