[Hit_Apex]

I drive a sub 3-series. This thread is substandard (ie it rocks ). Back to the sub-ject. This is the same rhetoric when the last CTS-V came out about the old M5. Next time you are on a long drive make a note of the driver of every CTS you come across. The numbers are serious and cannot be disputed, the entire package, however, will prove to be a non-contender just like the last one.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by LI E90

wow going to be one fast car. nothing like horse power wars in pending $5.00 a gallon gas days

Yeah, that would suck to hit sub-$5.00 levels

[gadget]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Is this sarcasm or just ignorant BMW kool aid drinking?

Originally Posted by Caster

Don't mean to burst your bubble fanboys

I am the #1 FANBOY

CTS-V vs ///M

[vAnt826]

Don't bother. BMW fanboyism is an uncurable disease just like the subies I get a kick when people make ignorant statements. Like calling the CTS a 'pig' when it weighs nearly the same as the M5.

Truth is, many said 'I won't buy a domestic until it reaches the standards of Jap/Euro' which is simply not true. Even if GM exceeded the standard ten fold, there will still be idiots out there riding around in an inferior car and claim that they can do one thing better out of a hundred.

My thoughts... CTS-V will make the M3/M5/C63/IS-F seem like economy cars. Without the economy advantage.

[shragon]

cool it with the personal insults! agree to disagree with respect.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by shragon

cool it with the personal insults! agree to disagree with respect.

That would be stupid. I agree with Vant. Fanboyism is stupid. I would buy whatever car is more fun to drive.

[AMJ_77]

Numbers are hard to argue with, looks like a really sweet car. Can't wait to see what the next M5 brings, there are some big competitors out there now.

[zetaxi165]

WOW.

Is all I can say.

I love my Bimmers but, it seems like GM has nailed it with this one.

Its faster in a straight line than an M5.

Better in the twisties (the nurburgring time shows that).

Must have good steering feel/feedback - again the nurburgring time indicates it does (always hard to push a car if you are not getting proper feedback from the steering).

Must have a great chasis - again look at the nurburgring time (no luxury chasis can put up those times).

The interior is not bad (not like BMW interiors are anything to write home about).

And finally the price will be awesome.

Looks like this could very well be my next car.

[Socale92]

who cares its american

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by sflgator

My 335i gets 17mpg City / 25mpg Hwy. and ~ 20mpg mixed. Anyways, obviously with a slightly detuned 'Vette ZR1 engine, the Caddy CTS-V will be extremely powerful and fast, but I bet it will be expensive and won't be a big seller.

Yeah, you let the idiots (sorry, I didn't mean that) buy them first, then I'll buy one on the used market for 1/4 the price a few years later .

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Socale92

who cares its american

Do you consider yourself to be a car enthusiast? I would bet no by your response.

[335Base]

I test drove the last generation CTS-V before getting a 335. I thought it handled OK. I drove it through some curves and thought it compared favorably to the E36 I had at the time. It's not fair to say this car has straight line performance only. The power this car had was incredible. In the end, I decided not to get it because I heard a lot of people were having problems with the differential, the average mileage on the on-board computer indicated 9.9mpg, and the exhaust was embarrassingly loud.

[sacsbimmer]

I'm not an expert but back a few years ago I worked at Cadillac and if there is one thing I can say is they have excellent customer service. There for you when you need them. Needless to say, this is in response to their cars being more worthless than a Chevy corvair! These Cadillacs break down more than the Ford GT Jeremy Clarkson bought. However, as tested by Jeremy Clarkson, the CTS-V does handle quite well for an american car. That's the only good news though.

[dhan]

terry's jb3 135i hit 3.8 sec. whoopdeedooo
then again anyone can make anything go fast with enough time and money. i'd never drive a caddy. parents had one before and it broke down constantly.

[gonzo]

I am looking for a 4 door with more room (business) than my old e90 335. The 09 CTS-V is starting around 60K according to my research. It also said expect dealer mark ups. How could they mark up this car when they aren't selling crap? Limited production? 0-60 in 3.9 on one review.

So far...
CTS-V w/o mark up. Never driven any CTS and that will be a huge factor.
BMW 535/550. Discount!
Merc E550 Sport. Discount!

Constructive thoughts?

[TSM330i]

I was at the NYC Autoshow for the BMW premiere event and had the oppurtunity to actually go up onto the display and get a full demo of the CTS-V (I was the last person from the general public to do so). I sat in the car and was able to look at and touch everything. The interior is NICE! The fit and finish was fantastic and the materials used were just as good as Mercedes and BMW (they actually use the same supplier for many of the parts). The pop-up nav screen was great because when you're not using it, it drops down out of the way. There is real-time traffic updates (I could see there was an accident right outside of the JJC and the nav was trying to get us around it).
The engine as many of you know is not the ZR1 engine, but a variant of it. It uses a smaller supercharger (1.9L vs. 2.2L). It also uses a smaller intercooler (mostly because the engine bay is larger and evacts heat easier than the ZR1) and some other internal bits aren't as exotic a metal that the ZR1 uses).

The end result is (as Cadillac likes to put it) an M5 performer for M3 money. This car is going to be fantastic. I would love to drive one. I can't wait for the true tests to come out. Under 8 minutes around the 'Ring is really moving.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I am looking for a 4 door with more room (business) than my old e90 335. The 09 CTS-V is starting around 60K according to my research. It also said expect dealer mark ups. How could they mark up this car when they aren't selling crap? Limited production? 0-60 in 3.9 on one review.

So far...
CTS-V w/o mark up. Never driven any CTS and that will be a huge factor.
BMW 535/550. Discount!
Merc E550 Sport. Discount!

Constructive thoughts?

i can see euro automakers discount their v8s not only due to competition but the overall market is low in that segment, dealers will be more than willing to rid themselves of excess inventory...

how does this thing handle? if it handles like its predecessor then the m5 may lose in a straight line but around a bend the caddy will get beat.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

i can see euro automakers discount their v8s not only due to competition but the overall market is low in that segment, dealers will be more than willing to rid themselves of excess inventory...

how does this thing handle? if it handles like its predecessor then the m5 may lose in a straight line but around a bend the caddy will get beat.

Well, as the gentleman above your post wrote.."under 8 around the Nurburing"
should answer your question.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Well, as the gentleman above your post wrote.."under 8 around the Nurburing"
should answer your question.

under 8 is good...i just cant see myself buying one....not hating on the car...its just the looks are little funky for me

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

under 8 is good...i just cant see myself buying one....not hating on the car...its just the looks are little funky for me

Yup. The M5 looks better IMO too. But if one can be had for around 70K I am interested. And again...3.9 0-60 during one test!!! That is quick enough to let the looks grow on me.

[Crimson92]

why does one need two speedometers....in the same spot

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

why does one need two speedometers....in the same spot

I would think other functions show on the LED.