[jmack123]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

RBR Review dropped this morning and thought he nailed it. The hybrid piece is what actually intrigues me since it offers a blend of raw TT V8 ICE plus Electric.

I love my F95 X5MC and not once did i think hmmm there isn't enough braking power or I wish it was lighter weight in the last 4 years of owning it. Its the best BMW i've had that can combine it all into one package.

It baffles me how there are so many race car drivers on this forum that can feel the weight difference on the race track going to work everyday.

There's other options out there for those that want zero luxury, ultra lightweight nimble sports car for track work.


https://youtu.be/Sg9g7UMEc7o?si=fyzGz5ANOzSI7hD0

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Unless you are (capable of and have a track for) pushing the car to 8-10/10ths, the weight literally doesn’t matter in a four door luxury sedan. Especially considering how good BMW is at engineering around the added weight, and the improved efficiency and torque curve from the added weight (hybrid system).

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

RBR Review dropped this morning and thought he nailed it. The hybrid piece is what actually intrigues me since it offers a blend of raw TT V8 ICE plus Electric.

I love my F95 X5MC and not once did i think hmmm there isn't enough braking power or I wish it was lighter weight in the last 4 years of owning it. Its the best BMW i've had that can combine it all into one package.

It baffles me how there are so many race car drivers on this forum that can feel the weight difference on the race track going to work everyday.

There's other options out there for those that want zero luxury, ultra lightweight nimble sports car for track work.

There's some gaslighting here. Some of us do push our cars often, some of us live near canyon roads too; weight is definitely noticeable.

But sure, the avg M5 buyer since the days of the F10 likely does not care about the ballooning weight and sheer size of the M5. If they did they'd be driving an M2 or maybe an M3 for the extra doors.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

TLDR

To summarize pretty much every review: "It drives great but it's sooooo big and sooooo heavy and sooooo expensive..."

And yet it's the same size and weight as a Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-hybrid, for 50% less money, reviews of which ALSO just came out this week, and you know what's weird? While the size and weight were mentioned, those reviews were almost completely focused on the drive. Until there's a new AMG E63 and RS6/7, that Panamera is the closest thing to a competitor the new M5 has, and they're virtually identical in every spec except price. Weird how one gets a pass for being big and heavy, and that's all anyone wants to talk about for the other.

The Panamera was always a Luxury Barge for members of a tax bracket over the M5 owner. Lets face it here, the Panamera is a far more luxurious car. Its much less of a penalty for it to be super duper heavy. It always heavy too, the first Panny Turbo S 2 gens ago was already a 2.1 tonnes car. The last Panny Turbo S E Hybrid was already at 2.4 tonnes.

Lets not forget it has more chassis tech, far more advanced hybrid and suspension system, and other predicaments that justify its price. Its an apples to banana comparison you are making. If I had to guess the Panamera is the superior driving dynamics car out of the two.

I will concede though, the M5 is "cheap" for what it offers

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

There's some gaslighting here. Some of us do push our cars often, some of us live near canyon roads too; weight is definitely noticeable.

But sure, the avg M5 buyer since the days of the F10 likely does not care about the ballooning weight and sheer size of the M5. If they did they'd be driving an M2 or maybe an M3 for the extra doors.

I concur. My M5 is my "weekend" sports cars as I like to take the family among when I am hauling or hitting the road. 90% of the roads here are full of twisties so I get to enjoy it a lot. I was one that considered the F10 awful when driven hard and the F90 a bloods masterpiece

People forget that in other parts of the world, there is far less options of cars, and sports cars are scarce. Here in Brazil, our range of products from BMW, Audi and Mercedes is far more limited. And Porsches have an insane wait time. Therefore many people buying the M5 will also maybe "track it" or drive it through canyons like you said.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

There's some gaslighting here. Some of us do push our cars often, some of us live near canyon roads too; weight is definitely noticeable.

But sure, the avg M5 buyer since the days of the F10 likely does not care about the ballooning weight and sheer size of the M5. If they did they'd be driving an M2 or maybe an M3 for the extra doors.

That's my point. This car wasn't meant to be taken to the canyon to be driven at near 10/10th. BMW has the M2/M3/M4 for that. The M5 was always known to be a luxurious highway missile and the G90/G99 seems to do that in spades based on the reviews so far.

Wait till the next gen Audi/Mercs comes out that will compete against the M5. They will all be this weight class and probably cost a good amount more especially the Mercs

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I concur. My M5 is my "weekend" sports cars as I like to take the family among when I am hauling or hitting the road. 90% of the roads here are full of twisties so I get to enjoy it a lot. I was one that considered the F10 awful when driven hard and the F90 a bloods masterpiece

People forget that in other parts of the world, there is far less options of cars, and sports cars are scarce. Here in Brazil, our range of products from BMW, Audi and Mercedes is far more limited. And Porsches have an insane wait time. Therefore many people buying the M5 will also maybe "track it" or drive it through canyons like you said.

Unless you are really pushing the car to the max then i suspect it will handle weekend canyon runs just fine. Now if you are pushing it to the point the car cant handle it then you should be on a track instead anyways.

The G90 might not be as sharp as the F90 M5CS but its not a Lexus either.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by X5V8Fan

*patiently waiting for SavageGeese*

patiently waiting for Chris Harris

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

That's my point. This car wasn't meant to be taken to the canyon to be driven at near 10/10th. BMW has the M2/M3/M4 for that. The M5 was always known to be a luxurious highway missile and the G90/G99 seems to do that in spades based on the reviews so far.

Wait till the next gen Audi/Mercs comes out that will compete against the M5. They will all be this weight class and probably cost a good amount more especially the Mercs

Yeah the new Panamera hybrid whatever weighs roughly the same

I'm not a fan but clearly not in the target demographic. Maybe if i lived someplace flat with straight roads I would be.

[yousefnjr]

Will be carrying my boy like this (minus the open glass) and enjoying a presumably easy 900 horses when I’m not

According to C&D: “…transfer case that has been beefed up to handle the hybrid's extra torque.” I wonder if the ZF8 has been updated to handle more too.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

The G90 with a much better power to weight ratio was one of the last of the semi nimble & dynamic M5's to ever be built. This heavy tank looks porky & can't hide that mass, no matter how many electric modules in the car are working together in tandem. Hope there's a CS version some day!

[xDrivex5]

G99 would be perfect to replace my current 530d touring😎

[azuki]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Overall very disappointing. I wasn't left with that feeling of "Damn, I gotta have this" like I did with previous M5s or the G80 for example. Getting back inside my G80 CS felt like a class above the new M5 with all the stitched leather, bucket seats and carbon center console.

I suspect there will be heavy discounts to encourage sales once the launch hype settles.

lmao you just want to defend ur current car

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Gfit

So this has the same engine as the XM right? If you take a peak on that forum it’s a bit concerning. Granted it’s a very small sample size but the issues have been frequent and time consuming.

Same motor but version 2.0 with updated software

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

patiently waiting for Chris Harris

Plus one

[ASAP]

I 110% think that post Covid the world went into some sort of alternate reality or dimension where different things are acceptable... there is no world that I used to live in that 5400 lbs was acceptable for any performance car...

back in my day... i am not that old btw, the GtR was considered to be the heavy performance car and it was 3900 lbs lol... there is no world nor a scenario where 5400 lbs cannot be felt lol. There are full size pickups that are lighter... whats going to be next? 7k lbs and we are in Abrams tanks? You can hide the weight as much as you want... you cannot hide 5400 lbs without translating into something that cannot be felt. The consumables, braking distance, cornering will all be felt in this car. If straightline is the only thing you care about... this will be solid... but then again so are many other cheaper cars.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I 110% think that post Covid the world went into some sort of alternate reality or dimension where different things are acceptable... there is no world that I used to live in that 5400 lbs was acceptable for any performance car...

back in my day... i am not that old btw, the GtR was considered to be the heavy performance car and it was 3900 lbs lol... there is no world nor a scenario where 5400 lbs cannot be felt lol. There are full size pickups that are lighter... whats going to be next? 7k lbs and we are in Abrams tanks? You can hide the weight as much as you want... you cannot hide 5400 lbs without translating into something that cannot be felt. The consumables, braking distance, cornering will all be felt in this car. If straightline is the only thing you care about... this will be solid... but then again so are many other cheaper cars.

Most of the excess weight is pancaked flat on the bottom of the chassis cause the 5'er was designed for electric, helps a ton with "feeling" the weight.

And as long as it can rip 1-1.2 G on exit/entry ramps it's fine, this isn't a race car it's a street car. And in my experience 99% of the driving public are far too pussy to hit those G levels anyway regardless of how expensive and fast their car is.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

Most of the excess weight is pancaked flat on the bottom of the chassis cause the 5'er was designed for electric, helps a ton with "feeling" the weight.

And as long as it can rip 1-1.2 G on exit/entry ramps it's fine, this isn't a race car it's a street car. And in my experience 99% of the driving public are far too pussy to hit those G levels anyway regardless of how expensive and fast their car is.

i think what you are saying would be 100% true if it was an EV w the entire massive battery down low... albeit the 5 was still designed for both ev and ice configurations on the same exact chassis... in this scenario you got both in 1, so you have a smaller partial ev battery down low and a large ice motor upfront... from a packaging perspective... this is probably the worst because you are dealing w forces and weight everywhere

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by azuki

lmao you just want to defend ur current car

no, after 2 F90s i feel the same way. this looks like something i could very easily pass on. the F90 was an absolute ITCH before i got one, and it still blew me away

[Evinrude1975]

Originally Posted by supershaft

Just watched straight pipes and top gear. Didn’t even discuss handling or take a turn. Just rambling on about straight line speed

🤣

I take that back top gear had a very fair review. I’ve adjusted my expectations a bit more and I’m interested in the wagon now

Totally agree.

[anthony412]

Why are many saying to wait for the LCI (other than maybe for reliability tweaks)? Has there been anything notable confirmed for improvement on the hybrid motor?

Side note: the interior looks far less premium than my G80 (with full leather). Even the lack of detail on the color-blocked seats is a head scratcher. I say this as someone who will likely buy a G99 regardless, unless we get a G84 touring in America.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

Most of the excess weight is pancaked flat on the bottom of the chassis cause the 5'er was designed for electric, helps a ton with "feeling" the weight.

And as long as it can rip 1-1.2 G on exit/entry ramps it's fine, this isn't a race car it's a street car. And in my experience 99% of the driving public are far too pussy to hit those G levels anyway regardless of how expensive and fast their car is.

Agree. Given that BMW engineers can hide the weight it is a shame that they didn't add an additional 800-900 pounds to further keep the car planted.

[Alan l.]

Times have changed. You can't compare cars from a decade ago to cars now. Regulations have changed forcing car companies to change powertrains and meet safety regulations all while trying to give the masses what they want.

BMW isn't unique if you look at where other cars in its class is heading. The current G80 M3 is about the size of a E39 M5 and weighs more but does it make it a bad car? Nope. Current 5 series is about the size of old 7 series. If you want a small nimble track capable car then go by a civic type r or a porsche cayman. The only thing in the bmw line up is the M2 and even that's not exactly light weight. The M5 was always meant to be a autobahn weapon.