[A_]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Not every F90 runs high 10s in every tests. As of the G80 there is no denying that is probably the fastest car out there for the money but its for a different audience.

Also AutoTopNL tested a F90 LCI Comp 100-200 and got 7.16 compared to 7.18 for this G90. Pretty darn close imo.

Also AutoTopNL tested a F90 CS 100-200 and got 6.69 at +21C compared to 7.16 for G90 at +6.5C. So at +21C it will be 7.4.
6.6 vs 7.4 - It's massive different...

[Alan l.]

We need to stop comparing the CS to the ‘base’ G90. The CS is the holy grail limited production of the F90 while the G90 is just getting started.

Nobody compares the M4 CSL or CS to the regular M4 saying it sucks because those two are faster and better. They also cost significantly more too.

Alan

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

We need to stop comparing the CS to the ‘base’ G90. The CS is the holy grail limited production of the F90 while the G90 is just getting started.

Nobody compares the M4 CSL or CS to the regular M4 saying it sucks because those two are faster and better. They also cost significantly more too.

Alan

EXACTLY! 💯

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by A_

Also AutoTopNL tested a F90 CS 100-200 and got 6.69 at +21C compared to 7.16 for G90 at +6.5C. So at +21C it will be 7.4.
6.6 vs 7.4 - It's massive different...

lol that thumbnail looks so dated compared to G90, looks like a car from 2010 or earlier

edit: reference pic from owners feedback thread

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

Don't have to plug it in

Not "significantly" slower, and nobody is driving around with a draggy doing launches from every red light. Real world feel of the G90/99 is very fast with the instant EV torque fill.

Didn't have the opportunity you think they did, due to emissions regs and gearbox limitations

a mild hybrid system like in the GTS is miles different then the legit plug-in system in the G90 from a emissions/fleet regs standpoint. Audi is going with the same system in their upcoming RS6 but with a downsized engine as well.

Unless EU bureaucrats come to their senses and at least stop ratcheting up the regulations, if not ideally start rolling them back a little bit until EV market share organically increases...this is the world we live in now.

Great answer.

The question is: Why do we still need to keep explaining this to people, eight-months post launch?

This, ‘slower than F90’ is such BS too. It’s completely academic in the real World. Nobody is going to drive a G9x and conclude that it’s slow.

(As for that Carwow race: Didn’t the G90 beat the F90 on all but the last run and Matt seemed to be aiming for that result. On many other races, he’d go again.)

[A_]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

We need to stop comparing the CS to the ‘base’ G90. The CS is the holy grail limited production of the F90 while the G90 is just getting started.

Nobody compares the M4 CSL or CS to the regular M4 saying it sucks because those two are faster and better. They also cost significantly more too.

Alan

This is not true. Below is the measurement made by AutoTopNL. The most powerful limited version of the previous generation BMW M4 GTS F82 100-200 - 8.05s and the new generation BMW M4 Competition G82 PreLCI 510ps 100-200 - 7.79s. This shows that the G90 should be faster than the older F90, but it is not.

[A_]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

lol that thumbnail looks so dated compared to G90, looks like a car from 2010 or earlier

edit: reference pic from owners feedback thread

I didn't mean that the F90 looks old, just that it is faster. In the second half of next year, the G90 will be old too, as a newer version and a very big facelift will be unveiled.
https://g90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2165391

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Crazyotter

I’m not interested in EVs or Hybrids because it feels impure to me.

As far as EU and US regulations I think it’s a joke that they think it’s going to solve the problem or even make a significant dent in it. China produces more greenhouse gases than the United States and EU combined, and let’s not even mention India.
If they were serious about making things better there are many other solutions that would in fact make a big difference and would make the difference quickly.

Yes, it’s a really fast car. It’s probably way faster than 95% of its owners need it to be but my point was that M5 used to strike fear in the hearts of S63 and RS drivers.
Don’t even get me started with the shitshow MB has become with their fake AMGs now.

I’m more disappointed in BMW though because they’ve always put out the fastest, best driving vehicles in the class, and this feels like a half-ass effort.
Just my opinion

Well I guess the Nurburgring record setting Porsche hybrid and F1 cars aren't pure enough experience for you?

[Crazyotter]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Well I guess the Nurburgring record setting Porsche hybrid and F1 cars aren't pure enough experience for you?

Nope 🙂‍↔️ 👎🏽

Porsches sound like vacuum cleaners and F1 cars are go-carts on roids.

I think the Le Mans cars are cool though

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by A_

I didn't mean that the F90 looks old, just that it is faster. In the second half of next year, the G90 will be old too, as a newer version and a very big facelift will be unveiled.
https://g90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2165391

The facelift is 2 and half year from now

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by A_

I didn't mean that the F90 looks old, just that it is faster. In the second half of next year, the G90 will be old too, as a newer version and a very big facelift will be unveiled.
https://g90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2165391

I know, was just commenting on it cause it jumped out to me how old that thing looks now. I think a lot of it is the tail lights

[A_]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

The facelift is 2 and half year from now

LCI production starts from 1 March 2027, so the premiere will be in November/December 2026 at the latest.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by A_

LCI production starts from 1 March 2027, so the premiere will be in November/December 2026 at the latest.

Yup so you dont get the car until summer 2027

[A_]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Yup so you dont get the car until summer 2027

here in europe from march 2027

[will0621]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

We need to stop comparing the CS to the ‘base’ G90. The CS is the holy grail limited production of the F90 while the G90 is just getting started.

Nobody compares the M4 CSL or CS to the regular M4 saying it sucks because those two are faster and better. They also cost significantly more too.

Alan

The G80 base was faster than the f80 CS

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by A_

here in europe from march 2027

Yes my point is it is still 2+ year away and no time soon

[GJBFI]

Owners of old models always find a reason to complain about the new models... When I bought my G80 no one could say that it was slower than the F80 so they complained about the style: "We don't care if it performs because it looks like a beaver, a pig. The real M3 is dead etc...😂

[masd79]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

Owners of old models always find a reason to complain about the new models... When I bought my G80 no one could say that it was slower than the F80 so they complained about the style: "We don't care if it performs because it looks like a beaver, a pig. The real M3 is dead etc...😂

Yes but what these old gen owners not getting is the smile this g90 puts on your face! That low end rogue combined with the v8 is just 😘… they will never know it because they have to hit rev limiters to get that smile, here you get going on your coffee run instantly even in your driveway and your neighborhood streets (which I don’t advocate) but it’s unreal fun. Once they drive it they will know. This car is about to change the future of bmw, and people don’t know it. Xm albeit was the first hybrid M, this is g90’kd perfection because you don’t feel the weight and it’s so nimble to drive. It’s crazy!

[A_]

The new M3 may look like a pig or a beaver to someone, but it's still faster than the old F80 and that's the most important thing. Personally, I like the G80. The G90 looks good too, but the performance could be better. I don't like the interior because of the very poor quality of the materials. If I have to compare the quality of the interior of my G70 to the G90 there is a huge difference.
The G80 is much faster than the F80. You can explain it to yourself however you like. It's just that BMW released a new generation M5 that is slower than the outdated one that is the F90. This is pathetic. We'll see what BMW improves on this very large LCI, to be unveiled at the end of 2026

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by A_

The new M3 may look like a pig or a beaver to someone, but it's still faster than the old F80 and that's the most important thing. Personally, I like the G80. The G90 looks good too, but the performance could be better. I don't like the interior because of the very poor quality of the materials. If I have to compare the quality of the interior of my G70 to the G90 there is a huge difference.
The G80 is much faster than the F80. You can explain it to yourself however you like. It's just that BMW released a new generation M5 that is slower than the outdated one that is the F90. This is pathetic. We'll see what BMW improves on this very large LCI, to be unveiled at the end of 2026

how much faster do you need to go in your street car? Where's the line where you aren't upset at a new generation going the same general speeds? 10 second 1/4 mile? 9 second?

I'd argue that this G90/F90 range is about perfect for the street, in terms of ratio between acceleration intensity to acceleration time. Intensity is fun but if you can't keep your foot buried from a roll for more then a second or two before hitting "go directly to jail" speeds that's a negative in my book.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by A_

The new M3 may look like a pig or a beaver to someone, but it's still faster than the old F80 and that's the most important thing. Personally, I like the G80. The G90 looks good too, but the performance could be better. I don't like the interior because of the very poor quality of the materials. If I have to compare the quality of the interior of my G70 to the G90 there is a huge difference.
The G80 is much faster than the F80. You can explain it to yourself however you like. It's just that BMW released a new generation M5 that is slower than the outdated one that is the F90. This is pathetic. We'll see what BMW improves on this very large LCI, to be unveiled at the end of 2026

how many times are you gonna post the same thing?

[A_]

Stock m5 g90 should have performance like after installing racebox chip. Then it would have performance + - like stock m5 cs. This is the minimum plan. Measurements from my latitude: